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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Anyone read the information that got leaked?

    The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

    The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

    Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

    Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
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    Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Can someone refresh me on what this guys crimes are that deserves the 35 years?

    It seems he just was a whistleblower, I'm just not understanding what more there is to it.

    I don't know the details, maybe he released it the wrong way that was criminal... In which case he deserves to go to jail, but I thought that blowing the whistle on wrong doing was like a duty, not something to be vilified?

    I think better questions to consider would be; how come there are so many whistleblowers lately? And how come the government is acting to crack down on those whistleblowers??

    But, maybe I've just missed the facts of the case that show this man guilty...

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Anyone read the information that got leaked?

    The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

    The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

    Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

    Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
    I read some of the material leaked by Manning. Most is junk, the majority didn't even apply to present operations at the time and other documents had nothing to do with what was going on....

    IMO, Manning exposed absolutely nothing useful other than the fact some of our "highly trained military personnel" were acting like cowboys....

    The best part is that I don't blame these guys in Iraq for blasting the **** out of areas when everyone and their momma were blasting at them......

    Once Saddam was gone we should have packed up and left..... The fact we didn't turned the United States from heros to occupiers really quick and they (Iraqi's didn't like that)....

    In short Saddam was a tyrant bully, then we move in and off his ass and his Republican Guard + his military (who surrendered) then we become the bully...

    Afghanistan is way more complicated...

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    I'm good with 35. He was a basket case who never should have been in any branch of the military in the first place.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Anyone read the information that got leaked?

    The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

    The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

    Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

    Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
    Ok, ya, he should have done like the climategate leaker did and edit the emails to eliminate any identification of the leaker.

    Snowden however, has really done nothing wrong... Except to let people get an idea of the true scope of information surveillance going on... Oh and I'm sure everyone has forgotten about the "gunshot detecting microphones" that started going up everywhere (to varying degrees of implementation), so, even conversations on the street can be potentially detected... Just saying.

    The people doing the damage aren't the people who are disturbed by what they see going on in their daily lives, and feel the need to let people know... It's the people doing the criminal s*** in the first place doing the damage.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I recall an Army Infantry plt ldr William Calley- convicted of murder for the massacre of 22 civilians in a small village, My Lai. His sentence of life went to 20 years on the various appeals and clemency boards. he ended up serving 3 1/2 years of house arrest at his quarters in Ft. Benning Ga.

    I guess that liberal thing started back then and Nixon was a part of the scheme...

    The military has always been a tough crowd to get heavy sentences. Those who demanded the military try the Gitmo prisoners thought a Military trail would be far easier and more severe... it turned out the military wasn't the bully crowd some congress critters hoped.

    I couldn't see him getting more than 20 and like many have said, i doubt he serves even the 7 or so years.
    When I first saw your post, I first thought it was a response to another post on a thread dealing with the Vietnam War under the military forums that is happening right now. I was baiting a liberal without mentioning My Lai or Lt. Calley thinking he would bring it up and I would expose how misinformed (low information voter) he and most libs are.

    Do you know why the RVN government refused to prosecute Lt. Calley for murder ? I do.

    Do you know why Lt. Calley couldn't be prosecuted for committing a war crime ? I do.

    Do you know why President Nixon pardon Lt. Calley ? I do and also the vast majority of veterans ( mostly WW ll vets) and the majority of all Americans back during the 1970's who concured with President Nixon's decision.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    In the next 10 years our military will be useless...

    Perfect cannon fodder...

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    I have my doubts about him coming out of prison alive, or at least in a sound state of mind. When he does eventually get released, he will be greeted by many supporters. Ultimately what he did was not that big of a deal. I wished that he released more important info. Snowden is going to blow the lid off this whole war and the tyranny of our government. I can't wait.

    What boggles my mind is that people will ignore the reality of the information because it came from a traitor. That kind of nationalism is dangerous to our democracy. If you have a beef with the leakers then fine, but for the love of god take off your blinders.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Prison won't be too kind to that soft, pretty-faced little boy.
    Funny thing about prisons. Even criminals love this nation. He will be many people's toy, if not killed.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Apparently you don't.......
    Hmmm, let's see how many assumptions follow this up:

    What makes you think for a second our federal government has the right to do whatever it wants both foreign and domestically???
    Foreign? The Treaty of Westphalia. Domestically? They can't. Why did you assume I thought they could? Why do you assume they are?

    I'm sure you have absolutely no problem with our government spying on US citizens whenever they want without due process as well???
    What do you mean? Storing metadata under a program deemed legal by federal judges? No. Why do you assume that's spying?

    If you're so ****ing educated who does our government have to answer to?
    The people, through elected representatives? Why did you assume that answer wasn't readily available to anyone who has a basic grasp of civics?

    Lots of assuming in there.
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