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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Oh well I know but I am not going to tell you. I remember that argument from elementary school. You made the claim, now tell us what the damage was that you think was so obvious.
    I told you. It was in a post of mine you already quoted. Take a couple deep breaths. Calm down.

    If it is obvious it is not a secret and you can point to it specifically.
    I did. You quoted it.

    if it is vague and obscured then we do not know what that is.
    Oh, I'm sure there's some of those, too.
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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Well, do explain it for all the other people so it makes sense.
    I'll give it one last shot. Let's say you are a smoking hot 22 year old, peace loving, hearing impaired girl living in a low rent part of town. How much sense would it make to put a sign up in the front yard that said: "A smoking hot deaf girl lives here. There are no guns in this house, and the back door lock is broken. Have a great evening!"
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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yep.



    No. They tried to make the most compelling case for the sentence and not risk it devolving into subjectivity.
    But the actual part where they hand down a punishment is subjective. The punishment varies because of the effects of the actual criminal act. These prosecutors who were seeking a much longer sentence suddenly decided to not present the obvious evidence during the stage of the trial that is subjective and deals with dealing down punishment that fits the crime by evaluating the effects of the person's actions. Why would you use such an obvious lie on me unless you thought i was stupid and you could get away with it?


    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Calm down.
    So you are telling all of us you actually believe that the prosecutors who were seeking the highest possible penalty for manning all of a sudden shut up and did not give their evidence of the damage he caused at the point of the trial where it is procedure to present that evidence to show how severe the effects of the crime were; you are telling us that those prosecutors just did not do that. Your believe this story? You are really not being insulting to me by using such a bad pile of BS, you actually believe it.


    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol what?
    really, i am not that gullible to fall for that. You are going to have to do better than that.


    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I should hope so, because I just told you how Manning incontrovertibly harmed the US and you ignored it. At least now I know why. What does the cloud look like up there? Do you see a puppy dog?
    The moon is made of cheese. I just told you the moon was made of cheese. I guess now you must believe the moon is made of cheese because someone made the vague and unsupported claim. Look, free cheese in the sky. Now if you would actually like to make a real argument feel free to show us specifics instead of vague unsupported claims.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I'll give it one last shot. Let's say you are a smoking hot 22 year old, peace loving, hearing impaired girl living in a low rent part of town. How much sense would it make to put a sign up in the front yard that said: "A smoking hot deaf girl lives here. There are no guns in this house, and the back door lock is broken. Have a great evening!"
    That made sense to you? It's cool, you have proven we are on two different planes of intelligence. I will let others make their own judgments on what levels those are based on that comment. You are right, I am not capable of getting that.

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    But the actual part where they hand down a punishment is subjective. The punishment varies because of the effects of the actual criminal act. These prosecutors who were seeking a much longer sentence suddenly decided to not present the obvious evidence during the stage of the trial that is subjective and deals with dealing down punishment that fits the crime by evaluating the effects of the person's actions. Why would you use such an obvious lie on me unless you thought i was stupid and you could get away with it?
    I'm beginning to think you're stupid based upon how emotional you're being about this, actually. They wanted to deal with what Manning was actually found guilty of: theft and espionage. No get back into things that the jury already decided they weren't going to buy into.
    So you are telling all of us you actually believe that the prosecutors who were seeking the highest possible penalty for manning all of a sudden shut up and did not give their evidence of the damage he caused at the point of the trial where it is procedure to present that evidence to show how severe the effects of the crime were; you are telling us that those prosecutors just did not do that. Your believe this story? You are really not being insulting to me by using such a bad pile of BS, you actually believe it.
    Yes. Stop getting so upset. It's making you look dumb.

    really, i am not that gullible to fall for that. You are going to have to do better than that.
    I dunno, man...

    The moon is made of cheese. I just told you the moon was made of cheese. I guess now you must believe the moon is made of cheese because someone made the vague and unsupported claim. Look, free cheese in the sky. Now if you would actually like to make a real argument feel free to show us specifics instead of vague unsupported claims.
    I posted it. You quoted that post, but ignored that portion of it. Lemme know if you need me to quote myself, I will.
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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    That made sense to you? It's cool, you have proven we are on two different planes of intelligence. I will let others make their own judgments on what levels those are based on that comment. You are right, I am not capable of getting that.
    Well, if you don't understand something as simply put as I made it for you, there is simply no hope in getting you to understand why information becomes classified. Perhaps it's an impairment.
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    Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It would only sound debatable to someone that doesn't understand the laws behind safegaurding classified information or in having a security clearance.



    It's dangerous to commit treason in any days.
    Umm have you been paying attention the past decade? Treason, in most instances is celebrated...

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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ok, ya, he should have done like the climategate leaker did and edit the emails to eliminate any identification of the leaker.

    Snowden however, has really done nothing wrong... Except to let people get an idea of the true scope of information surveillance going on... Oh and I'm sure everyone has forgotten about the "gunshot detecting microphones" that started going up everywhere (to varying degrees of implementation), so, even conversations on the street can be potentially detected... Just saying.

    The people doing the damage aren't the people who are disturbed by what they see going on in their daily lives, and feel the need to let people know... It's the people doing the criminal s*** in the first place doing the damage.
    Snowden's biggest threat is his spilling how we operate to the Russians and then giving them something similar. What Snowden released wasn't inherently bad and did tell us that we are living in a Big Brother state. Snowden also exacerbated the problems that Manning's release of the cables did. Manning's releases I find hard to believe can or did do damage. Snowden knows how our intel system works. That is a real threat. I think as a society we should know we're being spied on like crazy, but at the same time, I can't find sympathy in running to Russia and likely giving them everything he knows in return for safety.
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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I read some of the material leaked by Manning. Most is junk, the majority didn't even apply to present operations at the time and other documents had nothing to do with what was going on
    I have a hard time finding anything Manning released that was materially harmful to America. There are PR issues of course, but hardly what they make it out to be.

    IMO, Manning exposed absolutely nothing useful other than the fact some of our "highly trained military personnel" were acting like cowboys.
    Like the Apache pilot gunning down civilians? That was bad. And that Iraqi civilian casualties were much higher? Bad. I think he did expose the fact that our diplomats are competent was useful.

    Once Saddam was gone we should have packed up and left..... The fact we didn't turned the United States from heros to occupiers really quick and they (Iraqi's didn't like that).
    That would have made things worse. At least we had a chance to turn Iraq pro-west. We failed at that, but getting out early would have ensured that Iran took regional influence.
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    Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

    Hello? tererun? Did you find my post? Do I need to quote it for you again? Lemme know, man!
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