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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not even know what my theories about conservatives are. And wrong is not subjective. Keep trying though. Maybe you can manufacture something out of nothing here, but I doubt it.
    One merely needs to take a look at the current size of the foundation via the publicly posted 990 to see there's not much to this claim. The Clinton Foundation has been posting its 990 to the internet for years and we've heard essentially nothing from anti-Clinton groups. It's been 10 years of returns that detail what the foundation does. You'd think that those salivating over such public information would have said something by now.

    The travel expenses were less than 10% of the assets and are included in the non-profit activity. You can't do non-profit work overseas without travel.
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    well, if you have a problem with the amount of the travel expense, then don't give any money to the organization.... those whom do give money will have to live with the fact that they spend lavishly on travel expenses.

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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, if you have a problem with the amount of the travel expense, then don't give any money to the organization.... those whom do give money will have to live with the fact that they spend lavishly on travel expenses.
    Are we sure it's lavish?

    I look at their payroll for officers and it's fairly low compared to some of the non-profits of similar size.

    Page 7 of the return shows the CEO making under $300,000. For a non-profit with activities all over the global and net assets of nearly $200 million, that's low pay. Only the CFO is making over $150k, the rest are under $150k.

    And a fair amount of the travel looks like supervising and oversight of their existing projects. For groups that want more oversight of spending, it seems rather....hypocritical to come down on an organization doing just that.

    People who talk about certain non-profits and then never read the 990 can't be taken seriously. Read the return before you comment on what's going right or wrong. Is that too much to ask these days?
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    $5mil/yr doesn't sound high for an org that has projects going all over the world
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    $5mil/yr doesn't sound high for an org that has projects going all over the world
    I have a hard time believing the travel is lavish when they pay their executive staff comparatively little money. Lavish travel spending tends to follow excessive pay. The Foundation's 990 shows relatively low pay for the size. Furthermore, you are right that $5 million per their 990 for travel isn't high considering the size of some of their programs flung across the planet.

    But that would require people to read the 990 and get informed rather than just mouthing off without any frame of reference or understanding as we've seen several people in this thread do.

    Travel of $50,000 compared to $12 million looks low, but it's not if its on an organization who's assets are just $200,000 and bring in just $20,000 a year in revenue. One has to look at the size of the expense to the size of the organization and what it does. But I think if you do that, you aren't allowed into the Partisan Hackjob Club.
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You have over 64K postings.....I think everyone knows your crackpot theories....

    Over 64k postings, but apparently still makes enough coherent arguments to garner a 39% thank you rating as opposed to your 25% with 50 thousand fewer posts. You may disagree with the Liberal view but to call it "crackpot" is a bit of a stretch. Consider the fact that there are conservatives in this forum with a similar track record to Redress who I disagree with but still respect. You, however, may want to look at the mirror when it comes to your theories as it seems that not to many people agree with you...at all

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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    You, however, may want to look at the mirror when it comes to your theories as it seems that not to many people agree with you...at all
    I don't want to make this about J-Mac (as it's not about J-Mac), but I have largely the same thanks rate as him. What is noticeable is that he doesn't gather the same kind of thanks from his fellow self proclaimed right leaning partisans. My low rate is partially because I regularly piss off both sides (yet still get called a partisan...go figure). When an obvious partisan hack job cannot get thanks from other massive partisan hackjobs, that's a sign of something.

    Anyways, hit J-Mac on his bad arguments, not on his lack of thanks. He has plenty of bad arguments to choose from.
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't want to make this about J-Mac (as it's not about J-Mac), but I have largely the same thanks rate as him. What is noticeable is that he doesn't gather the same kind of thanks from his fellow self proclaimed right leaning partisans. My low rate is partially because I regularly piss off both sides (yet still get called a partisan...go figure). When an obvious partisan hack job cannot get thanks from other massive partisan hackjobs, that's a sign of something.
    You know, you're right. I actually took a peek at a few others as well as soon as I posted that and he actually isn't lower than a lot of members. As I myself have fewer than 500 posts I'm certainly not one to talk a big game either. I chose to call him out because of his ridiculous attack on a member who I feel to be very intellectually consistent. My arbitrary "ranking" system doesn't really matter at the end of the day anyway

    Anyway, about the topic at hand...Pretty simple. If you don't like it, don't donate. If Hillary uses it illegally for a presidential run, then I will have a problem. Until then, if ya aint paying, who cares.

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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem appears to be that the Clintons are using the Clinton Foundation as a 501(c)3 tax free non-profit organization while Hillary Clinton is using it as a springboard to the Presidency. Recall this was the same tax code under which the IRS investigated conservative groups.
    This from the NYT, and even they have trouble with it. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/us....html?hp&_r=1&

    Hillary Clinton's next act: The family foundation - Maggie Haberman - POLITICO.com

    Robert Gibbs has said she intends to use the Foundation as a "springboard to the Presidency', which is clearly illegal.
    That's fair - if they are abusing tax law for political purposes, I hope they're called on it - however, with Obama and Holder in charge, I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
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    Re: Bill Clinton foundation has spent more than $50M on travel expenses

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You have proof this?

    FYI, you're dealing with a CPA who has years in non-profit work. You make an ignorant comment, I will point it out.



    Conjecture at the moment, probably true, but still conjecture. Furthermore, hacks will argue that any promotion of Clinton will do this. Even if the activities that are involved have nothing to do with her Presidential Campaign.



    Flat Up Wrong. There has been nothing about the Clinton Foundation being used as a non-profit to directly provide political advertising for Clinton or against her potential opponents. You are entirely wrong here and you are highly ignorant of what the code actually says. Saying that the code in which the IRS went after political groups (including liberal ones, which were the only ones denied, I see how you left that out), and this is extremely wrong. Clinton getting exposure from non-profit work such as disease prevention is not the same as running a non-profit that doesn't have to disclose donors and using it to directly influence political campaigns by explicitly endorsing or attacking candidates. Learn the law before opening your mouth.



    How does this support your claim at all? Did you even read the article? Where does it say anything that supports your claims?



    The only part of the article that remotely supports you is this, but that depends how it's done. Writing up a biography used on the website or to be read before she speaks is hardly the same as running an ad in a state saying X candidate is bad.



    Why? How is using a non-profit to raise your exposure without direct political activity equate to breaking the 501(c) law?

    You made so many errors here it's not funny.
    Naivety can be extremely comforting. Slick Willie would be proud, "oblivious" child.
    Last edited by CanadaJohn; 08-21-13 at 05:55 AM.
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