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Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens - just because[W:189:219]

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Erod said:
Sounds an awful lot like communism to me.
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Communism is an economic system, not national service. You're thinking of a totalitarian government.

But a lot of democracies have this.
 
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rocket88 said:
Communism is an economic system, not national service. You're thinking of a totalitarian government.

But a lot of democracies have this.
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It might help a growing base of troubled youth, but it flies in the face of freedom of choice.
 
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Erod said:
It might help a growing base of troubled youth, but it flies in the face of freedom of choice.
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so does compulsory education for K-12
 
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Erod said:
It might help a growing base of troubled youth, but it flies in the face of freedom of choice.
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Yes, people should have the choice of being a worthless pile and being a bored thug with a gun and twitchy trigger finger.
 
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rocket88 said:
If not the draft per se, I favor mandatory service to the country. If you choose to do that in the military, fine. If you do that as a free teacher or an internship filling potholes and picking up trash, OK.

Other countries have mandatory military service. I don't see why we shouldn't have some sort of mandatory service.
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The quality of a conscripted army is lower than an all volunteer army. The quality of the average soldier will go down and so will the quality of training.
 
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Serenity said:
How it makes the US look? You think Aussies are going to hold the entire US responsible for the actions of three evil assholes? That's ridiculous.

I can tell you that the family of the young man are very grateful to his American friends and family for embracing their son during his time in the. They are not ashamed.

From my post in the poll thread.
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It's called pride. Like Angryoldman, this is embarressing.
 
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apdst said:
The quality of a conscripted army is lower than an all volunteer army. The quality of the average soldier will go down and so will the quality of training.
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True, but if you're not cut out to be a soldier you should be able to do another kind of service. The military could still be people who volunteered to do that rather than something else.

What if the National Guard counted as service, and your role in the NG is to go and help in disaster recovery? We could have a standing "army" of disaster recovery people or people to fight wildfires.
 
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FederalRepublic said:
I couldn't write a parody piece on the lefties' view of the Zimmerman case any better than that. Good show.
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It writes itself, I've seen waaaay too many little big men strutting around thinking carrying a pistol makes up for a lifetime of never having mixed it up. Young rookie cops have this same tendency, never had much experience mixing it up so when push comes to shove they tend to either shy away or panic with deadly force the only option they can think of.

Even the most ardent right winger has to admit 'hero' Zimmerman screamed like a little girl when his stalk didn't go the way he always fantasized it would.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Okay well, while you try to figure out how to deal with that . . . I'll just get more and more tired of hearing people even bring 'control' up.

Thug control - gun control - whatever . . . . isn't it just obvious we have a serious, huge, problem in our society where kids just go around randomly killing people just because they thought it was fun? That's not even thug behavior, that's just - I don't know - there's something inhuman about that.
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Not all kids are doing that. It's not fair to lump the good ones in with the bad.
 
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OscarB63 said:
when a kid calls his grandmama "mommy" and his mother "Pam"....he's going to jail. What is the one thing that most of these kids have in common? no father in their lives. call me old fashioned, sexist, whatever...but how in the hell can you expect a boy to grow into a responsible man when there is never a responsible man in his life to give guidance and example?
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Yes.

I've been saying this on another thread, and people are just out of their minds when they hear it. Women need to return to the home. Kids need a strong father and a mother who's home, they don't need to be raised by grandparents, they don't need a mom who's going for a degree, they don't need a mom who is working 2 jobs who doesn't have a man, etc.

We need to re-emphasize the strong, nuclear family.

That means turning back the clock on certain things that people take for granted... like women's vote for example. There is no reason women should have the vote - it's only proven to be destructive in the long run.
 
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apdst said:
It's called pride. Like Angryoldman, this is embarressing.
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He's not the first foreigner to come to the wild west and get shot, and certainly won't be the last.
 
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Serenity said:
How it makes the US look? You think Aussies are going to hold the entire US responsible for the actions of three evil assholes? That's ridiculous.
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They sure will. Americans already have the reputation of a bunch of low educated gun totin' cowboys anyway, and this will only enhance that sort if opinion, especially among the Aussie left, who are always critical of the US anyway. Much like the Canadian Left and American left as well, come to think of it.
I can tell you that the family of the young man are very grateful to his American friends and family for embracing their son during his time in the. They are not ashamed.
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Oh yes, they will know better because they are in direct contact with the families involved and understand their grief. But that's not what the average Aussie who's watching the local media is going to think.
 
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cpwill said:
In our refusal to enforce civilization and social mores upon rising generation, we have succeeded in raising up a not-insignificant number of feral humans, distinguishable from sociopaths mostly in the twinges of emotion they feel after the deed.
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This reminds me of the other thread in which we discussed the value of individualism vs collectivism in our country, and how focusing on one has watered down the unavoidable importance of the other.

Why don't I want to kill someone for fun? I can write up a long list of reasons. Some of which involve the view society would have of me, and how I wouldn't want to be see *as that type of person* - overall, I would assume I would be caught, and punished.

These boys had no reasons. I wonder what their list would look like. I place my bets on an assumption that they would not be caught and punished.

Peter Grimm said:
Not all kids are doing that. It's not fair to lump the good ones in with the bad.
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I know they're not. I might have failed to quantify, but do you honestly believe I actually meant *all children* which would include all four of my own? Of course not.
 
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rocket88 said:
True, but if you're not cut out to be a soldier you should be able to do another kind of service. The military could still be people who volunteered to do that rather than something else.

What if the National Guard counted as service, and your role in the NG is to go and help in disaster recovery? We could have a standing "army" of disaster recovery people or people to fight wildfires.
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Public sector unions would never allow that.

National gaurd troops are soldiers, too. Not to mention, the national guard is funded mostly by the states and I can't see the states forking out the extra cash.
 
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specklebang said:
Show up and march over what subject exactly? Seems the killers were
arrested and confessed so I don't see the issue. Am I missing something?
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Yea the backwards coverage of not only a senseless killing but the total disregard of the culture that creates cold blooded killers in their teens.

Go read the face book post of the suspects, they're filled with generic and typical anti-social and mysogonistic and violent statements that can be attributed back to the "thug life" culture and rap music.

But issues like that, music and the celebration of gang life is a topic we need to steer clear from.

It's poisoning millions of kids but our President " Knows Jay-Z".

How twisted this Country has become.
 
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OscarB63 said:
can someone provide a link to this? I keep hearing it, but the article I saw showed a picture of all 3 and they were all black.
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Look closer at that picture you are referring to. Here's a blow up Michael Jones.
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He is about as white as white can be. No?
 
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calamity said:
Look closer at that picture you are referring to. Here's a blow up Michael Jones.
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He is about as white as white can be. No?
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now this is just freakin odd. this guy looks nothing like the picture they had up yesterday and when I went back to the article I had linked, they had taken them down.
 
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OscarB63 said:
now this is just freakin odd. this guy looks nothing like the picture they had up yesterday and when I went back to the article I had linked, they had taken them down.
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I did some searching. It seems another picture was up for a while yesterday.
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Michel Jones is the white kid. So, either the above picture is correct and they stuck a white guy in today's images to quell the fury, which I doubt, or someone was trying to instigate a certain sentiment yesterday, which is what I suspect.
 
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For ****'s sake, right-wingers, the Trayvon case didn't get national attention because the victim was black. Black kids get killed every day in this country and it doesn't create a media frenzy. That case got national attention because a black kid got shot and the police didn't do their jobs.

In this case, the police did do their jobs. But apparently the victim was semi-famous this time so you'll see a bit.
 
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calamity said:
Look closer at that picture you are referring to. Here's a blow up Michael Jones.
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He is about as white as white can be. No?
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That boy has some black in him. Either way, all the killers should do life in prison.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
That boy has some black in him. Either way, all the killers should do life in prison.
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Huh? "Some Black in him"? I'm not sure that even qualifies as a reasonable statement.

BTW: The shooter has a white mom. He's more like Obama than Barack will probably admit.

I think all three should get the death penalty.
 
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DDD said:
If law cannot reach then culture should. The rite of passage per Albanian codes is 15 years.
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No idea what this means.

The murder did not take place in Oklahoma, not Albania.
 
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calamity said:
Huh? "Some Black in him"? I'm not sure that even qualifies as a reasonable statement.

BTW: The shooter has a white mom. He's more like Obama than Barack will probably admit.

I think all three should get the death penalty.
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He is not all white. Not reasonable? How so? Multiracial multiculural marriages abound.
 
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Deuce said:
For ****'s sake, right-wingers, the Trayvon case didn't get national attention because the victim was black. Black kids get killed every day in this country and it doesn't create a media frenzy. That case got national attention because a black kid got shot and the police didn't do their jobs.

In this case, the police did do their jobs. But apparently the victim was semi-famous this time so you'll see a bit.
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Actually the police did their jobs by acknowledging the 'stand your ground law', and they were ultimately proven to be correct in their original assessment. Others thought that was racist so the trial began. In fact Zimmerman was called 'white' to exacerbate the tragedy into a racial issue. There were a lot of people around the country putting their ignorance on display for a very long while.
 
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Fenton said:
Yea the backwards coverage of not only a senseless killing but the total disregard of the culture that creates cold blooded killers in their teens.
Go read the face book post of the suspects, they're filled with generic and typical anti-social and mysogonistic and violent statements that can be attributed back to the "thug life" culture and rap music.
But issues like that, music and the celebration of gang life is a topic we need to steer clear from.
It's poisoning millions of kids but our President " Knows Jay-Z".
How twisted this Country has become.
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If we could acquire the assets integral to forward coverage, it would vbe a different world indeed. regrettably, all events must be covered in retrospect since we lack the facilitie, such as mind reading, time travel and efficacious crystal balls.

So, what are you unhappy about? This was headline news for a day. Many events compete for that position.

Should we make rap music illegal? I'd personally be thrilled not to hear that blasting from a low-rider sharing the road with me. You know that blacks have only been full legal humans for less than 50 years? To borrow a line "stolen from Africa, brought to America". This racial group has had a tough time adjusting to modern society. They are the least successful racial group in the country. And yet, they are (slowly) following the pathway that other ethnic groups have occupied during their evolution. Look at the history of entertainers in the last century. The Italians. Then the Jews. Now the blacks. From White House servants to White House Presidents. Evolution is not an overnight event.
 
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