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Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens - just because[W:189:219]

Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

No Sir, Zimmerman never wanted to get away with murder, if we are talking about MY read on the event. He is a sissy putz who right now should feel lucky to not be convicted of the wrongful death of a teen walking home one day. I firmly believe if Trayon had been trying to kill Zimmerman it would have been Trayvon on trial.

With any luck Zimmerman has had enough reality and will settle for playing Xbox for his hero fix.

Sorry. I thought we were playing "Let's see who can come up with the best stereotypical left-wing George Zimmerman theory. You were close, but mine's better.
 
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Sooooooo, you dont know if facts are wrong or not????? Hmmmm, what "fact" would that be?

You have presented ZERO facts, YOU asked me if you had the facts wrong. Present a fact and we can discuss it, like what sort of retail do you engage in to claim to know a store owner can send 'much' of the money customers spend in his store 'back home'. What is the profit margin in any of the stores you claim Middle Easterners own. What is YOUR profit margin?

All you give is opinion and a very biased one at that. As far as the teen goes you have ZERO fact there, just more biased opinion based on looks and even though you know your dad looks like an african when he stands out in the sun too long.
 
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This is a straight up occurrence of black on white crime, it will be forgotten by this time next week.

If Chris Lane had been armed and defended himself, the Left would be calling him a racist. Obama would be claiming if he had sons, they'd look like these murderous thugs.

Blacks are far more racist than whites. They blame their destroyed community on racism when they need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Black teen who murdered Australian posted racist Tweets | The Daily Caller
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

You have presented ZERO facts, YOU asked me if you had the facts wrong. Present a fact and we can discuss it, like what sort of retail do you engage in to claim to know a store owner can send 'much' of the money customers spend in his store 'back home'. What is the profit margin in any of the stores you claim Middle Easterners own. What is YOUR profit margin?

All you give is opinion and a very biased one at that. As far as the teen goes you have ZERO fact there, just more biased opinion based on looks and even though you know your dad looks like an african when he stands out in the sun too long.
Junior killer is a killer. Fact
He looks like he has some black in him. Fact.
He is going to jail for a very long time. Fact.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I don't fully get the dysfunction but being there under the same roof everyday and living your life to make sure your kids know they're loved more than you love your own happiness, which includes a healthy dose of disciple, is probably a part of what might be missing.


Yep, my kids have been made painfully aware from each of their births that I'm not here to be their best buddy. My role as their father is to guide them through life, teaching them about my experiences when the moment demands and to get them to think critically about the choices they make. They ALL know that I am fair, but stern. They ALL know that when my wife and I make a decision it is decided upon after careful consideration, and that they have an opportunity to provide an argument as to why they might feel we are wrong. If the argument is compelling enough, both my wife and I have changed our minds, if only to let the children know that we stand behind our word to be fair and considerate. We always weigh a change in our position with the level and degree of harm any situation might present itself, and we're all too willing to allot a degree of trust if the risk vs reward is warranted. In addition, and something I am seeing more and more of in our society is that we actually play with our kids. Have you ever noticed that when you take your kids out, that parents almost never interact with their children. They tend to just take them to where the event is and then stand around texting, talking to other parents or whatever, but almost never actually playing. THIS is a component in our society that is wrong headed and I'm not sure how we got here, but it's a really dysfunctional path we're heading on. I'm 45 and I still go down the slide with my kids, or race through the bounce-house with them, or fire rockets, or play hot wheels and build a track. Sure I'm tired as hell when I'm done work, but it's IMPORTANT to their well-being, and sleep is way overrated anyway.. :)

I'm not trying to say I'm perfect at parenting, and I make a lot of mistakes and probably will always make mistakes, but I am keenly aware that the effort to participate in our kids upbringing is one of the most important things we can do as parents. Our level of interest in their lives, perceived good or bad speaks volumes for their health as they grow into adults.

Rant off/

Tim-
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

Sorry. I thought we were playing "Let's see who can come up with the best stereotypical left-wing George Zimmerman theory. You were close, but mine's better.

Yours is more what the right wing wants to claim the left sees it as... not sure about 'better'...
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

Junior killer is a killer. Fact
He looks like he has some black in him. Fact.
He is going to jail for a very long time. Fact.

You still dodge your 'haji' crap.... figures. :roll:

You ASSume a lot. I don't count my chickens until they are bones in the trashcan.

And his looks tell little as what looks like 'a little black in him' can just as easily be Hispanic, Native American or Italian.

so the looks part is once again just your opinion.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

don't worry where he's going he will get to hang out with a diverse crowd alright.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

Yep, my kids have been made painfully aware from each of their births that I'm not here to be their best buddy. My role as their father is to guide them through life, teaching them about my experiences when the moment demands and to get them to think critically about the choices they make. They ALL know that I am fair, but stern. They ALL know that when my wife and I make a decision it is decided upon after careful consideration, and that they have an opportunity to provide an argument as to why they might feel we are wrong. If the argument is compelling enough, both my wife and I have changed our minds, if only to let the children know that we stand behind our word to be fair and considerate. We always weigh a change in our position with the level and degree of harm any situation might present itself, and we're all too willing to allot a degree of trust if the risk vs reward is warranted. In addition, and something I am seeing more and more of in our society is that we actually play with our kids. Have you ever noticed that when you take your kids out, that parents almost never interact with their children. They tend to just take them to where the event is and then stand around texting, talking to other parents or whatever, but almost never actually playing. THIS is a component in our society that is wrong headed and I'm not sure how we got here, but it's a really dysfunctional path we're heading on. I'm 45 and I still go down the slide with my kids, or race through the bounce-house with them, or fire rockets, or play hot wheels and build a track. Sure I'm tired as hell when I'm done work, but it's IMPORTANT to their well-being, and sleep is way overrated anyway.. :)

I'm not trying to say I'm perfect at parenting, and I make a lot of mistakes and probably will always make mistakes, but I am keenly aware that the effort to participate in our kids upbringing is one of the most important things we can do as parents. Our level of interest in their lives, perceived good or bad speaks volumes for their health as they grow into adults.

Rant off/

Tim-


There's no perfect parent but if you love your kids with all your heart chances are they aren't going to grow up to be menaces to society. Why? Because day in and day out you're there demonstrating that love in doing everything within your power to help them be the best most successful people they can be. Love is one of the most misunderstood words in the world but when its real its not just a feeling but guides your actions, which probably includes not abandoning the ones your love even if their mother is deliberately making your life a living hell and needs unconditional love herself.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I didn't say that, but I understand that you have no ability to debate anything but a strawman.

You don't have to say something directly to imply a position....

Furthermore I have been reading comments over the last two days on numerous sties - and I will tell you what. The same clowns who made the Martin/Zimmerman case about race are now saying "race doesn't matter" or are saying nothing at all.....

It really goes to show just how brainwashed/self loathing/out of touch with reality the typical progressive truly is - not to mention their EXTREMELY biased and partisan media they love so dearly.

But NO - they don't judge - they would never think about doing that.

Guess what? I judge

There is no debate on this issue - 3 black kids killed an innocent white college baseball player for no reason.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I cannot believe what I am reading. Almost 200 posts in this thread and all but a handful are yapping about Zimmerman/Martin and what color the three teenagers in Oklahoma were. A young man is gunned down because a bunch of thuggish teens were "bored", and all you petty lot can do is whine about whether the "white" teenager has some black in him, and a Florida case that is as far from this incident as purple is from yellow on the color spectrum.

Those of you who are ignoring this tragedy to insert your own racial/political spin should be utterly ashamed of yourselves... although if you actually had any shame or decency, you wouldn't have posted such tripe in the first place. :2mad:
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

You start with discipline and consequences for inappropriate behavior. If you love your kids you not only teach them right from wrong but but you have expectations that they will play the straight and narrow and when they fall short of those expectations you take them to task for it.

I am so sick and damned tired of hearing "Well, they're just kids". NO!!! They're soon to be adults and if you don't get them on the right track from the git-go you're failing them. You can be warm and affectionate and understanding and STILL exercise appropriate discipline.

As a society we need to stop playing this damned game where we figure that since failure is inevitable we should cater to the least common denominator. Screw that!! It's time to EXPECT good, productive behavior and to redirect when people fail instead of coddle them and tell them "It's OK. It's not your fault. We'll take care of you." **** that! How about a little more, "You failed. You now have two choices; you can respond to that failure in a way that lessens the chance of failing again or you can wallow around in misery and never accomplish anything again. If you chose the first option I'll help you. If you choose the second you're on your own."

How do you feel about the idea of having a healthy balance. I agree that discipline is very important but I think you have to make certain they know you believe in them and love them.

I was a single mom and had pretty naive views of what it takes to raise a boy. (My son was a challenge. ) When I signed him up for peewee football and saw the way the coaches interacted with him, they won his respect by being good examples and by being firm but keeping his age in perspective. It was a sort of quite authority?? They didn't have to scream or push him around or bully him into submission or try to "control" him. It taught me the difference (at least the stereotype held true for my son) between girls and boys. My son needed that firm hand. He was very lucky to have found it there. Makes me wonder .... how do we provide that kind of guidance and fatherly presence for other boys who do not have it. Seems like to smartest way to effect real change in such kids.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

The only other thing I'd add to your left-wing fantasy about right wing fantasy is that Zimmerman got exactly what he wanted, which was to murder a black kid and get away with it.

No Sir, Zimmerman never wanted to get away with murder, if we are talking about MY read on the event. He is a sissy putz who right now should feel lucky to not be convicted of the wrongful death of a teen walking home one day. I firmly believe if Trayon had been trying to kill Zimmerman it would have been Trayvon on trial.

With any luck Zimmerman has had enough reality and will settle for playing Xbox for his hero fix.

Moderator's Warning:
While there may be some similarities to Zimmerman/Martin, discussion in this thread must be in relation to and contain references to the OP. Rehashing the Z/M case will be considered derailing and open to moderation. So please return to the topic.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

Actually, he looks like he's " Black-Hispanic '' to me.

Wonder if he is still bored.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I think both sides of this thread is being f**king ridiculous !!!!!

Who gives a f**k what race these bastards were. What are we doing now segregating killers?

"Oh the gunmen are black, they must have come from broken homes."
"The white one looks like he has black in him."
"Where is Al Sharpton, Obama, Oprah, Mya Angelo, Nelson Mandela, blah blah blah"
"Trayvon look just like all these guys"

WTF !!!! SERIOUSLY !!!!

Is this what it comes down to in our society? Trying to 1 up each other on whose race has the most bad guys?

So most of these kids were black. Did you guys share the same outrage with the crime below?


[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2011/08/05/griffin.mississippi.hate.crime.cnn.html[/video]

Most likely not

What about the story from yesterday?

School shooting tragedy averted in Ga. - CBS News

Does this guy get a bye because he is white?


The point is we need to stop this d*** measuring contest about race and lets just call all these clowns what they are.......MURDERERS !!!!!!!
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

How do you feel about the idea of having a healthy balance. I agree that discipline is very important but I think you have to make certain they know you believe in them and love them.

I was a single mom and had pretty naive views of what it takes to raise a boy. (My son was a challenge. ) When I signed him up for peewee football and saw the way the coaches interacted with him, they won his respect by being good examples and by being firm but keeping his age in perspective. It was a sort of quite authority?? They didn't have to scream or push him around or bully him into submission or try to "control" him. It taught me the difference (at least the stereotype held true for my son) between girls and boys. My son needed that firm hand. He was very lucky to have found it there. Makes me wonder .... how do we provide that kind of guidance and fatherly presence for other boys who do not have it. Seems like to smartest way to effect real change in such kids.

Part of discipline is acknowledging good behavior. When your kids comes through a tough situation having made good decisions you need to let them know that just as when you let them know about the bad decisions.

Discipline and control are two different things. Control is the use of coercive force to get someone to do what you want them to. Discipline is getting them to do the things you want them to because they want to do them.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I cannot believe what I am reading. Almost 200 posts in this thread and all but a handful are yapping about Zimmerman/Martin and what color the three teenagers in Oklahoma were. A young man is gunned down because a bunch of thuggish teens were "bored", and all you petty lot can do is whine about whether the "white" teenager has some black in him, and a Florida case that is as far from this incident as purple is from yellow on the color spectrum.

Those of you who are ignoring this tragedy to insert your own racial/political spin should be utterly ashamed of yourselves... although if you actually had any shame or decency, you wouldn't have posted such tripe in the first place. :2mad:

:applaud
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

I am saying perhaps these kids, wherever they are, could benefit from a cultural norm of rite of passage. It is not Albanian typical thing. Someone told me the rite of passage exists in Texas too.

It is essentially how one becomes a man by issuing a gun. He takes the responsibilities with having a gun and being a man, rather than a teenager with a gun whom just wanted to make fun by killing just anyone this day.

Makes no sense.
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

You don't have to say something directly to imply a position....

I only implied that position in your head. Same place all of your arguments happen. You argue with the voices in your head more than you do with any people on this board.
 
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This is a straight up occurrence of black on white crime, it will be forgotten by this time next week.

It will be, but not for the reasons you think it will be. Justice IS being served, the murderers WERE arrested and charged. Therefore, there is no controversy, and that's why it will be forgotten.
 
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I only implied that position in your head. Same place all of your arguments happen. You argue with the voices in your head more than you do with any people on this board.

Really? then why is this case not FRONT PAGE NEWS right now??

So Zimmerman shooting a black gangster dope addicted aggressive punk was front page news for the last 6 months but this case is swept under the ****ing rug in less than a day....

No it's only in your head....

This is an open and shut case considering the little black punks confessed to premeditated murder (First Degree Murder) - hence there is no ****ing debate here.

So I ask where the **** is the progressive media when 3 black kids murder a white college baseball player???

Oh yea - its a non-****ing issue... Yesterdays news...

Of course you don't give a ****!
 
Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

Really? then why is this case not FRONT PAGE NEWS right now??

So Zimmerman shooting a black gangster dope addicted aggressive punk was front page news for the last 6 months but this case is swept under the ****ing rug in less than a day....

No it's only in your head....

This is an open and shut case considering the little black punks confessed to premeditated murder (First Degree Murder) - hence there is no ****ing debate here.

So I ask where the **** is the progressive media when 3 black kids murder a white college baseball player???

Oh yea - its a non-****ing issue... Yesterdays news...

Of course you don't give a ****!

You're missing the point completely. They have been arrested and charged. Therefore, there is no need to "call for justice." You are the one making this about Zimmerman and about race.

The alleged perps in this case have been arrested and charged, and are sitting in a jail cell. What do you want? A race war? Jesse Jackson to scream for something which is being done? This has gotten plenty of coverage on CNN and many other main stream media outlets. It's pretty much been front page news. You're butthurt because of the attention a non-white guy (Zimmerman) got? Grow the **** up! Zimmerman was not front page for six months, except here where people obsessed over it.

The justice system is working in this case. Assuming these ****ers are convicted, they're going to be in jail for a long time. What exactly, would make you happy here?
 
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It's a problem that the majority of the Black community is failing to address, and of course political opportunists will charge that 'racism' is always the cause. But it's not a 'race' problem, it's a cultural problem.

A cultural problem? As in the black culture is violent? I've got news for you. Has nothing to do with anybody's culture, and has everything to do with bad kids. Color doesn't factor into this. The last neighborhood I lived in had a lot of drive by shootings, and there were lots of white people living there. I moved last month to an area of Houston called Sunnyside, which happens to be 99% black. Guess what? There are no drive by shootings here at all. There is a church on almost every block, people say hi to me every day, and everybody is nice. But I suppose I could play the race card too, and make the claim that, since there were white people in my last neighborhood, that violence is a problem with white culture. LOL.

Seriously, the view that violence has to do with black culture at all is ****ing pathetic. Yes, I will say it. It's ****ing racist as hell.
 
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I'm sure that is what they are thinkin' in Oz
 
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Blacks are 10x moire aggressive than whites.

The best part is that whites just "bottle it up" better then blacks and can deal with it better......
 
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