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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I'm telling you... Oklahoma is just a damn violent place.

    Hate to even ask but is there outrage that this was racist? The three kids are black.
    most of the outrage I have seen is because they used a......GASP.....gun. news flash...it's not the damned gun's fault. If they didn't have a gun, these three punks would have just stabbed him or beaten him to death. If you are wanting to kill someone...not having a gun isn't going to stop you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't fully get the dysfunction but being there under the same roof everyday and living your life to make sure your kids know they're loved more than you love your own happiness, which includes a healthy dose of disciple, is probably a part of what might be missing.
    I think that's part of the problem. In many broken homes the concept of love gets warped. The idea of discipline isn't seen as love but it's one of the most important aspects of expressing that deep emotional desire for your progeny to succeed in their lives. The single parent has time constraints which make that discipline more difficult but too often one parent disciplines and the other overturns the decision or when the kid goes to see the other parent they get a pass because there either isn't any communication between the parents or one chooses to play "nice guy" to the other ones "bad guy".

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    Unreliable sources report that George W. Bush has said that if he "had a son he'd look like Chris Lane".

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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    All three were black. It makes all black people look bad. I don't get how people can be so freakin' evil to murder someone because they're bored.
    One was white and two were black. These kids were thrown away. That's the real problem. How do we address that? Where in the world do we start? I am not saying that excuses what they did. When you kill someone in cold blood you forfeit all your rights no matter how old you are. But to keep it from happening again and again, WTF do we do?

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    It looks like the original report I read was correct....two black kids and one white kid. Seems like two parents have made statements along the lines of "my kid isn't like that".

    I look forward to hearing what these fine young men have to say for themselves because at this point I kind of figure them to be a disgrace to all mankind.

    Oh yeah...to the white kid who was apparently crying in his jail cell and claiming "I didn't pull the trigger"......go **** yourself! You chose to play with punks and be a tough guy. Well, tough guy, how'd that all work out for you? If you never see the light of day again it will be too soon as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't fully get the dysfunction but being there under the same roof everyday and living your life to make sure your kids know they're loved more than you love your own happiness, which includes a healthy dose of disciple, is probably a part of what might be missing.
    My son is 21 now. When I was raising him I was shocked at the number of parents that just didn't seem to give a **** about what their kids were doing, especially boys. They never called to check on them, would let them run around all hours of the night, didn't pay attention to what they did in school. They had no guidance. My son pitched a fit because I wouldn't let him do what the other kids parents were letting his friends do. He thanks me today and says the biggest impact I had on his life was that he always knew I cared and loved him and would do anything for him. He talks about how he recognizes now that he has a solid foundation because of it and that has an enormous impact on his life. I never had it in my family but by some miracle figured it out. How do teach other parents, who never had that themselves, the value of it and how to do it. It seems like a generational effort.

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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    One was white and two were black. These kids were thrown away. That's the real problem. How do we address that? Where in the world do we start? I am not saying that excuses what they did. When you kill someone in cold blood you forfeit all your rights no matter how old you are. But to keep it from happening again and again, WTF do we do?
    You start with discipline and consequences for inappropriate behavior. If you love your kids you not only teach them right from wrong but but you have expectations that they will play the straight and narrow and when they fall short of those expectations you take them to task for it.

    I am so sick and damned tired of hearing "Well, they're just kids". NO!!! They're soon to be adults and if you don't get them on the right track from the git-go you're failing them. You can be warm and affectionate and understanding and STILL exercise appropriate discipline.

    As a society we need to stop playing this damned game where we figure that since failure is inevitable we should cater to the least common denominator. Screw that!! It's time to EXPECT good, productive behavior and to redirect when people fail instead of coddle them and tell them "It's OK. It's not your fault. We'll take care of you." **** that! How about a little more, "You failed. You now have two choices; you can respond to that failure in a way that lessens the chance of failing again or you can wallow around in misery and never accomplish anything again. If you chose the first option I'll help you. If you choose the second you're on your own."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I think that's part of the problem. In many broken homes the concept of love gets warped. The idea of discipline isn't seen as love but it's one of the most important aspects of expressing that deep emotional desire for your progeny to succeed in their lives. The single parent has time constraints which make that discipline more difficult but too often one parent disciplines and the other overturns the decision or when the kid goes to see the other parent they get a pass because there either isn't any communication between the parents or one chooses to play "nice guy" to the other ones "bad guy".
    It's a problem that the majority of the Black community is failing to address, and of course political opportunists will charge that 'racism' is always the cause. But it's not a 'race' problem, it's a cultural problem.

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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You start with discipline and consequences for inappropriate behavior. If you love your kids you not only teach them right from wrong but but you have expectations that they will play the straight and narrow and when they fall short of those expectations you take them to task for it.

    I am so sick and damned tired of hearing "Well, they're just kids". NO!!! They're soon to be adults and if you don't get them on the right track from the git-go you're failing them. You can be warm and affectionate and understanding and STILL exercise appropriate discipline.

    As a society we need to stop playing this damned game where we figure that since failure is inevitable we should cater to the least common denominator. Screw that!! It's time to EXPECT good, productive behavior and to redirect when people fail instead of coddle them and tell them "It's OK. It's not your fault. We'll take care of you." **** that! How about a little more, "You failed. You now have two choices; you can respond to that failure in a way that lessens the chance of failing again or you can wallow around in misery and never accomplish anything again. If you chose the first option I'll help you. If you choose the second you're on your own."
    Maybe it's time to reintroduce the draft. Perhaps then young men, and women, would learn more discipline and, after meeting their fellow Americans from around the country, the nation may become less divided.

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    Re: Police: Australian baseball player killed by Oklahoma teens -- just because

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe it's time to reintroduce the draft. Perhaps then young men, and women, would learn more discipline and, after meeting their fellow Americans from around the country, the nation may become less divided.
    I don't know about the draft but we damned sure need to stop treating kids like fragile little kittens.

    I don't care if your doctor has diagnosed your kid as ADD or whatever. The kid is disrupting class and making it harder for the other kids to learn. They need to straighten up or ship off to special ed. If they can't learn math or English then we'll teach them a trade so at least they can be a productive member of society at some point. If your 14 year old wants birth control then they need to get it from you, not the school. If junior is caught tagging walls in the neighborhood then he'll be out here every Saturday and Sunday for a month scrubbing the stuff off and if "it wasn't him, he was just hanging with those kids" then....tough! He'll STILL be out here scrubbing away. If he's stealing I really don't care that he's 12. There are plenty of streets that need sweeping and curbs that need painting for $1 an hour until he can pay back twice what he stole.

    Oh, I almost forgot, if Junior "forgets" to show up for his court appointed duty then YOU can come out and work the same routine.

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