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    NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Of course it has reduced murders. Why do you want to obfuscate the issue by denying the obvious? Is your ideology that important to you, that you will sacrifice lives to it?

    But it's much ado about not much, because this judge will have scorn poured on her head by the appeals court.
    Obvious how? In reduced crime rates? Crime rates are down across the country.

    It's anything but obvious. And your stating that its obvious simply shows your ignorance of the issue.

    90% of those stopped are released without so much as a ticket. The vast majority of the remainder are arrested for drug possession. Much of that pot.

    There are very few actual gun busts. It's really a tool used to arrest those minorities you profess to be concerned about for drug possession.


    Possession of pot is decriminalized in NY. It's essentially a parking ticket except in cases where it's publicly displayed. That's a misdemeanor which can lead to jail time. Cops, to skirt the decriminalization of possession, during stop and frisks often ask kids to empty their pockets and then bust them for public display if the have any pot on them. That happens more than 40,000 times a year in NYC and costs taxpayers about 75 million a year in police overtime, court and incarceration costs.

    The police brass ordered the practice stopped. It hasn't. The state legislature is considering decriminalizing public display to end that particular abuse - a bill recently passed the Assembly.

    And again its all beside the point since the stop itself is a blatant 4A violation. And I'm betting its upheld on appeal.
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    NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ? MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL IN NY.

    If you can't do the time....

    And in places like Chicago, Detroit and Kansas City MURDER rates are up.

    No stop and frisk there is there, or conceal carry.
    Possession is the equivalent of a parking ticket. No more evil than forgetting to feed the parking meter.
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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Possession is the equivalent of a parking ticket. No more evil than forgetting to feed the parking meter.
    Possession of how much ? I think it's important to post all the relevant data possible when posting a reply.
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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Obvious how? In reduced crime rates? Crime rates are down across the country.

    It's anything but obvious. And your stating that its obvious simply shows your ignorance of the issue.

    90% of those stopped are released without so much as a ticket. The vast majority of the remainder are arrested for drug possession. Much of that pot.

    There are very few actual gun busts. It's really a tool used to arrest those minorities you profess to be concerned about for drug possession.


    Possession of pot is decriminalized in NY. It's essentially a parking ticket except in cases where it's publicly displayed. That's a misdemeanor which can lead to jail time. Cops, to skirt the decriminalization of possession, during stop and frisks often ask kids to empty their pockets and then bust them for public display if the have any pot on them. That happens more than 40,000 times a year in NYC and costs taxpayers about 75 million a year in police overtime, court and incarceration costs.

    The police brass ordered the practice stopped. It hasn't. The state legislature is considering decriminalizing public display to end that particular abuse - a bill recently passed the Assembly.

    And again its all beside the point since the stop itself is a blatant 4A violation. And I'm betting its upheld on appeal.


    It's worth the money. The whole issue of the decriminalization of Marijuana or legalization of marijuana is a absolute joke.

    Because the stoners couldn't address their issue honestly they created the false narrative of "medical marijuana". Once it became legal in States like California for " medial issues " pot dispensaries started popping up with extensive descriptions of the high each brand gave you.

    Now they just want it legalized, they want to get high and as a populace we're worse off for it because the message is Pot is ok, not destructive and even "beneficial".

    Nothing is further from the truth.

    The Politicians must be laughing their asses off in little back rooms at the capital building. It's so much easier to manipulate stupid and stoned people.
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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This law is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment. It should have been struck down when it was first created.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    That doesn't appear to apply to airports.

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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That doesn't appear to apply to airports.
    I hope it doesn't. Nothing like the Feds jacking you off at the airport, and the good thing about it, it's free of charge. LOL.
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    NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's worth the money. The whole issue of the decriminalization of Marijuana or legalization of marijuana is a absolute joke.

    Because the stoners couldn't address their issue honestly they created the false narrative of "medical marijuana". Once it became legal in States like California for " medial issues " pot dispensaries started popping up with extensive descriptions of the high each brand gave you.

    Now they just want it legalized, they want to get high and as a populace we're worse off for it because the message is Pot is ok, not destructive and even "beneficial".

    Nothing is further from the truth.

    The Politicians must be laughing their asses off in little back rooms at the capital building. It's so much easier to manipulate stupid and stoned people.
    In a nutshell.

    Possession of up to 25 grams is a violation - a parking ticket.

    Over 25grams or public display is a Class B misdemeanor.

    Possession of over 2oz is an A misdemeanor.

    Possession of over 8oz is an E felony.

    The cases I'm referring are all violations until the officer asks the kid to empty his pockets at which point the cop arrests him or public display. The fact that the display is on orders of the police is irrelevant
    Since the kid is not legally obligated to obey that order - though I doubt 1 in 100 people actually knows that.

    And NY's decriminalization has nothing to do with the recent upswing in medical marijuana use. NY decriminalized possession in 1977.
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    NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks View Post
    You're so right.

    First, there is no stop and frisk "law" per se. Stop and question is a legal procedure, not a law and not even a NYC police. So the whole concept of bringing it before a judge is silly.
    If a police officer has reasonable suspicion that someone did, is or will engage in a crime he can stop and question the suspect. If he feels there is a specific threat from a weapon or other concealed hazard, he can pat him down to protect himself. Anything less than that, the police officer is violating the law.
    A police officer's right to do this doesn't come from NYC policy, it comes from the Constitution and the NYS Criminal Procedure Law.

    So what did the judge's ruling accomplish?
    Stated that it's illegal for the police to violate the correct procedure? That was already known.
    State that the police can't conduct legal stop-and-question stops? No, the judge can't do that.

    So what exactly was the point of all of this?
    The point simply stated is that the police justifications for stops in many cases do not meet the reasonable suspicion standard required under Terry v Ohio.

    Further the point is that the stops disproportionately single out minorities.

    In short the judge found that the NYPD stop and frisk policy (yes I know it is not a law) violates the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution and that the management f the NYPD and government of NYC willfully ignored those violations.
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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ? MARIJUANA IS ILLEGAL IN NY.

    If you can't do the time....

    And in places like Chicago, Detroit and Kansas City MURDER rates are up.

    No stop and frisk there is there, or conceal carry.
    Murder rates in this country has been dropping for decades. They were dropping in NY before stop and frisk.

    As for Marijuana....this is the issue. The criminalization of drugs (especially marijuana) is taking a normal human behavior and putting people in jail for it.
    I'm not going to debate whether or not marijuana should be illegal because this thread isn't about that...but when you criminalize normal behavior and you randomly stop and frisk you're going to be getting a lot of non-criminals (outside of pot smoking) in trouble. If you were to hit up the white neighborhoods or any suburb people would be up in arms because little Johnny whose perfect in everyway has a record just because of pot.
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    Re: NYPD Stop and Frisk Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Politicians must be laughing their asses off in little back rooms at the capital building. It's so much easier to manipulate stupid and stoned people.
    Any idea who these stupid and stoned people may be voting for?

    Ha ha Just kidding!

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