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Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

First, a choice to let people die is made by every president.

Then perhaps you can cite some historical precedence where Presidents allowed their diplomats to die and did not send in reinforcements or help but instead just ignored their requests.

You cannot save every person on foreign soil simply because other countries do not want to allow the US military to act on their soil. It tends to strain alliances. It should also be noted that the actual reason we did not go in was because we would have had to send troops into invade a foreign nation as an act of war to accomplish it because the libyans were not going to allow the US military to act on their soil.

That's comical!! This is the country America bombed just a few months earlier and you're concerned about 'straining alliances'??? The US had already bombed the hell out of the place and now you are following the Presidents claim that they wouldn't let you in???? Do you seriously believe that??It defies all logic!

It is all simple when you are just complaining, but a president has to deal with other countries who do not want the US military just driving through their neighborhoods blowing crap up to save 4 people. Yes, there is a reality it is let those 4 people die because a war would have been many more people.

So you think Libya was prepared to go to war with the United States if they tried to save their people? Who told you that?
 
Well that americas you remember never existed because america will not come and save your ass wherever you are. Yeah, this america here in this reality lets it's people die all the time. That is not an Obama thing, and has been going on far longer than he has been alive.

You truly are from the darkside of the moon, aren't you??:mrgreen:

The America I remember leaves no one behind!
 
If by "freaked out" you mean someone quietly reading your post and then typing a response without so much as a 1 heartbeat per minute increase, then maybe. I think you need a dose of reality on that front, because I don't think that is the first time you've fantasized that someone "freaked out" over one of your posts. Lighten up, Francis.

And no one is required to provide alternatives in order to rebut such a remark.

So in other words, i was right, and now you are just making excuses. Carry on.
 
Then perhaps you can cite some historical precedence where Presidents allowed their diplomats to die and did not send in reinforcements or help but instead just ignored their requests.

List of attacks on diplomatic missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there is a list for you. Feel free to read up on the issue and use the citations on the wiki page to educate yourself on reality.

That's comical!! This is the country America bombed just a few months earlier and you're concerned about 'straining alliances'??? The US had already bombed the hell out of the place and now you are following the Presidents claim that they wouldn't let you in???? Do you seriously believe that??It defies all logic!

That does ignore the reality we had bombed them to help the people who are in power now set up their sovereign government. We did not invade, and yes that means that from a diplomacy standpoint we do have to respect their sovereignity. Plus it would completely undermine any efforts we made and the government that was established if US troops were allowed to march through civilian areas and act as invaders. None of the citizens of that country would have been OK with that.



So you think Libya was prepared to go to war with the United States if they tried to save their people? Who told you that?

So because a country cannot make a legitimate war with the US we should be allowed to do whatever we want to and violate any sovereign nation's borders? That is a pretty messed up attitude on your part.
 
You truly are from the darkside of the moon, aren't you??:mrgreen:

The America I remember leaves no one behind!

That america does not, and never did, exist. That phrase is a rather cliche peice of propaganda meant to rally patriotic support, but it has absolutely no basis in reality as the US has left many people behind over the years. I know you are a blind sycophant, but exactly what do you think a POW is if not a person left behind? I am pretty sure obama does not have near the POW count of other presidents.
 
That america does not, and never did, exist. That phrase is a rather cliche peice of propaganda meant to rally patriotic support, but it has absolutely no basis in reality as the US has left many people behind over the years. I know you are a blind sycophant, but exactly what do you think a POW is if not a person left behind? I am pretty sure obama does not have near the POW count of other presidents.

This was the first time that I am aware of that nothing was done or even planed on being done because somebody in the administration had a crystal ball or something, that knew exactly how and when it would end. That America you claim never existed, always did until this administration. Complete incompetence.
 
I am sure hundreds of times over the years the US has made the right decision not to send more people to die in a lost cause. Your understanding of America's military might borders on cartoonish (to borrow a concept from another poster). Several years ago I read in Janes the US was the only power on earth that can lay significant conventional ordanence on a certain spot in the world, anywhere from pole to pole, that day. Anywhere. But the US is not omnipresent. There were no assets available that could have made a differernce. So more people were not sent just to die. During the election the Faux was saying there were armed drones overhead, companies of Marines just off shore or something, an AC 130 that could have taken out all the bad guys. None of that was true, the outrage is made up RW BS.
This was the first time that I am aware of that nothing was done or even planed on being done because somebody in the administration had a crystal ball or something, that knew exactly how and when it would end. That America you claim never existed, always did until this administration. Complete incompetence.
 
I am sure hundreds of times over the years the US has made the right decision not to send more people to die in a lost cause. Your understanding of America's military might borders on cartoonish (to borrow a concept from another poster). Several years ago I read in Janes the US was the only power on earth that can lay significant conventional ordanence on a certain spot in the world, anywhere from pole to pole, that day. Anywhere. But the US is not omnipresent. There were no assets available that could have made a differernce. So more people were not sent just to die. During the election the Faux was saying there were armed drones overhead, companies of Marines just off shore or something, an AC 130 that could have taken out all the bad guys. None of that was true, the outrage is made up RW BS.

You must have access to the very same crystal ball that those in the Obama administration used that night. Back in the 70's we had a somewhat similar situation happen, it ending up lasting over a year. And when that action all began, I don't think anybody thought it last that long. But the entire time that situation was taking place, action was being taken to attempt rescue those Americans. Granted, our efforts failed but as incompetent as the Carter administration was at least it didn't throw in the towel before it was over. The Obama administration has raised incompetence to a level never even dreamed of before.

There was no possible way that anyone in the Obama administration knew how or when the Benghazi situation would end. All of them said screw it and went to bed or something else. Complete incompetence.
 
I am sure hundreds of times over the years the US has made the right decision not to send more people to die in a lost cause. Your understanding of America's military might borders on cartoonish (to borrow a concept from another poster). Several years ago I read in Janes the US was the only power on earth that can lay significant conventional ordanence on a certain spot in the world, anywhere from pole to pole, that day. Anywhere. But the US is not omnipresent. There were no assets available that could have made a differernce. So more people were not sent just to die. During the election the Faux was saying there were armed drones overhead, companies of Marines just off shore or something, an AC 130 that could have taken out all the bad guys. None of that was true, the outrage is made up RW BS.

This type of mindset and interpretation of the facts is what got America to where it is today. Hope you're proud of your "new" America. I'm not!
 
I am sure hundreds of times over the years the US has made the right decision not to send more people to die in a lost cause. Your understanding of America's military might borders on cartoonish (to borrow a concept from another poster). Several years ago I read in Janes the US was the only power on earth that can lay significant conventional ordanence on a certain spot in the world, anywhere from pole to pole, that day. Anywhere. But the US is not omnipresent. There were no assets available that could have made a differernce. So more people were not sent just to die. During the election the Faux was saying there were armed drones overhead, companies of Marines just off shore or something, an AC 130 that could have taken out all the bad guys. None of that was true, the outrage is made up RW BS.


Did they, or did they not have the ability to fly jets over Benghazi in low formation to disrupt the second wave of the attack on the consulate? Many say yes they did.
 
So in other words, i was right, and now you are just making excuses. Carry on.

Acutally, no. No "other words" are needed, the statement is clear enough for any reasonable person (this doesn't necessarily include all libs) to understand.
 
You must have access to the very same crystal ball that those in the Obama administration used that night. Back in the 70's we had a somewhat similar situation happen, it ending up lasting over a year. And when that action all began, I don't think anybody thought it last that long. But the entire time that situation was taking place, action was being taken to attempt rescue those Americans. Granted, our efforts failed but as incompetent as the Carter administration was at least it didn't throw in the towel before it was over. The Obama administration has raised incompetence to a level never even dreamed of before.

There was no possible way that anyone in the Obama administration knew how or when the Benghazi situation would end. All of them said screw it and went to bed or something else. Complete incompetence.

I think it also needs to be noted that we did have assets there that were told to stand down and not help them. These folks ignored Obama's orders and went in and saved lives, killed many of the attackers, and ended up dying themselves from a morter attack. These guys should get the MOH, but will have to wait until there is an administration that doesn't care about looking bad when awarding it.
 
Oh yea, most well armed terrorist are scared of jet noise. This one is funny.
Did they, or did they not have the ability to fly jets over Benghazi in low formation to disrupt the second wave of the attack on the consulate? Many say yes they did.
 
What assets how many and how were they armed? And exactly where were they?
I think it also needs to be noted that we did have assets there that were told to stand down and not help them. These folks ignored Obama's orders and went in and saved lives, killed many of the attackers, and ended up dying themselves from a morter attack. These guys should get the MOH, but will have to wait until there is an administration that doesn't care about looking bad when awarding it.
 
there is a list for you. Feel free to read up on the issue and use the citations on the wiki page to educate yourself on reality.

That response had nothing to with my question, which was
Then perhaps you can cite some historical precedence where Presidents allowed their diplomats to die and did not send in reinforcements or help but instead just ignored their requests.


That does ignore the reality we had bombed them to help the people who are in power now set up their sovereign government. We did not invade, and yes that means that from a diplomacy standpoint we do have to respect their sovereignity. Plus it would completely undermine any efforts we made and the government that was established if US troops were allowed to march through civilian areas and act as invaders. None of the citizens of that country would have been OK with that.

You had bombed them to help the people who are in power and now they wont help you? What kind of screw-up is that? Is is the job of the Obama administration to lead from behind drop bombs on people they don't like, with no regards for the consequences? Isn't that rather short-sighted?
So because a country cannot make a legitimate war with the US we should be allowed to do whatever we want to and violate any sovereign nation's borders? That is a pretty messed up attitude on your part.
Isn't that exactly what you did earlier to Libya? And what did it get you??
 
That america does not, and never did, exist. That phrase is a rather cliche peice of propaganda meant to rally patriotic support, but it has absolutely no basis in reality as the US has left many people behind over the years. I know you are a blind sycophant, but exactly what do you think a POW is if not a person left behind? I am pretty sure obama does not have near the POW count of other presidents.

So you are against 'patriotic support'? That goes a long way in explaining why you are in the same camp as Hillary and Barry.
 
What assets how many and how were they armed? And exactly where were they?

All this low-level information is readily available if you care to investigate. Further problems arose when this administration refused to let the survivors speak, and try to silence whistle-blowers.
 
What assets how many and how were they armed? And exactly where were they?

I believe there was a six man team from the CIA annex, including Ty Woods, with a MK46 machine gun and H&K 416s equiped with 40mm grenade launchers. Enough firepower to go in, kill many attackers, and send the rest running to regroup.
 
Oh yea, most well armed terrorist are scared of jet noise. This one is funny.

In the excerpts released by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Hicks does not appear to offer any evidence of a military option that could have made a difference. However, he expressed his opinion that a low-flying fighter aircraft over Benghazi might have prevented the second part of the assault, the firing of mortars at a CIA annex that killed CIA security contractors Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

"If we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split," Hicks told House Republican investigators.

Republicans say military could have done more in Benghazi - Los Angeles Times

Yep, so funny that the #2 in charge believed it would have stopped the 2nd wave of attacks, but we couldn't do that because I guess Obama needed his beauty sleep before the fundraiser in TX the next morning....:roll:

Don't insult my intelligence mak2....
 
that is what I thought, you dont know.
All this low-level information is readily available if you care to investigate. Further problems arose when this administration refused to let the survivors speak, and try to silence whistle-blowers.
 
6 men? How many enemy was there?
I believe there was a six man team from the CIA annex, including Ty Woods, with a MK46 machine gun and H&K 416s equiped with 40mm grenade launchers. Enough firepower to go in, kill many attackers, and send the rest running to regroup.
 
Wasn't hard.
Yep, so funny that the #2 in charge believed it would have stopped the 2nd wave of attacks, but we couldn't do that because I guess Obama needed his beauty sleep before the fundraiser in TX the next morning....:roll:

Don't insult my intelligence mak2....
 
that is what I thought, you dont know.

No, it was you who didn't know, which is why you asked the question.

Before involving yourself in these debates you should familiarize yourself with the topic rather than just asking question. You've become tiresome.
 
Do you think you are at work? You are on an internet fourm. I truly dont give a hoot what you post or dont post, in fact I dont know why I am even replying to this post except I am bored, have all my work done and dont go home for an hour. I am really not asking the question because I expect an answer, I knew I would not get one because you dont have one. You aint the first to tell me I have become tiresome, I am on my third wife.
No, it was you who didn't know, which is why you asked the question.

Before involving yourself in these debates you should familiarize yourself with the topic rather than just asking question. You've become tiresome.
 
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