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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Like I said, the refusal to add more security actually kept the casualties lower than they were in the past. Our last 5 presidents have lost more overall, and have lost more in singular attacks on embassies than 4 dead. With things like budget cuts there is simply a financial reality that you cannot provide more security. It costs money and we have a little cash flow problem here in the US you might want to familarize yourself with. The reality is that putting less people in harms way actually saved lives. You can whine and complain all you want about it, but let us say they doubled the staff there, you would simply have had 8 dead americans and a few more casualties on the other side. These people were not killed by a lone gunman which might have been stopped by a couple of extra security people, they were killed by a mob that was armed pretty damned well, and that was probably familiar with fighting given their location and history. The sort of extra support that would have been effective here would have been prohibitively expensive, but you could always start supporting higher taxes if you want a fully armed military squad protecting startup embassies like this. Normally the reason a foreign embassy is secure against the locals is the foreign police and military would intervene to suppress actions like this.


    the reality is that libya should have had some responsibility in securing a foreign embassy on their soil. Let us say a group of armed americans wanted to storm a russian embassy on US soil we would have law enforcement there to stop what would be a criminal act of violence. The libyan government has most of the responsibility on their heads for this BS. Until they can secure their own country and establish those protections there will be no safety for embassies on their soil.
    Is there any excuse that the left will not resort to???? My God, we just don't know how brilliant this administration is! But of course, they saved lives by not having enough security. What shear genius.
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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Is there any excuse that the left will not resort to???? My God, we just don't know how brilliant this administration is! But of course, they saved lives by not having enough security. What shear genius.
    I am pretty sure you have completely freaked out over what I have said. I do not think it was brilliant, just a logical and rational choice. brilliant would have been making the logical and rational choice and somehow thinking it through well enough to keep them secure. but do me a favor and next time you want to rebutt me please do tell us of alternatives and form an actual argument.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I am pretty sure you have completely freaked out over what I have said. I do not think it was brilliant, just a logical and rational choice. brilliant would have been making the logical and rational choice and somehow thinking it through well enough to keep them secure. but do me a favor and next time you want to rebutt me please do tell us of alternatives and form an actual argument.
    The America I remember doesn't allow fellow Americans to die in a foreign land just because they're afraid if they send help, it will result in more casualties.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizmo View Post
    The America I remember doesn't allow fellow Americans to die in a foreign land just because they're afraid if they send help, it will result in more casualties.
    Well that americas you remember never existed because america will not come and save your ass wherever you are. Yeah, this america here in this reality lets it's people die all the time. That is not an Obama thing, and has been going on far longer than he has been alive.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I am pretty sure you have completely freaked out over what I have said. I do not think it was brilliant, just a logical and rational choice. brilliant would have been making the logical and rational choice and somehow thinking it through well enough to keep them secure. but do me a favor and next time you want to rebutt me please do tell us of alternatives and form an actual argument.
    If by "freaked out" you mean someone quietly reading your post and then typing a response without so much as a 1 heartbeat per minute increase, then maybe. I think you need a dose of reality on that front, because I don't think that is the first time you've fantasized that someone "freaked out" over one of your posts. Lighten up, Francis.

    And no one is required to provide alternatives in order to rebut such a remark.
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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

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    First, a choice to let people die is made by every president.
    Then perhaps you can cite some historical precedence where Presidents allowed their diplomats to die and did not send in reinforcements or help but instead just ignored their requests.

    You cannot save every person on foreign soil simply because other countries do not want to allow the US military to act on their soil. It tends to strain alliances. It should also be noted that the actual reason we did not go in was because we would have had to send troops into invade a foreign nation as an act of war to accomplish it because the libyans were not going to allow the US military to act on their soil.
    That's comical!! This is the country America bombed just a few months earlier and you're concerned about 'straining alliances'??? The US had already bombed the hell out of the place and now you are following the Presidents claim that they wouldn't let you in???? Do you seriously believe that??It defies all logic!

    It is all simple when you are just complaining, but a president has to deal with other countries who do not want the US military just driving through their neighborhoods blowing crap up to save 4 people. Yes, there is a reality it is let those 4 people die because a war would have been many more people.
    So you think Libya was prepared to go to war with the United States if they tried to save their people? Who told you that?

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Well that americas you remember never existed because america will not come and save your ass wherever you are. Yeah, this america here in this reality lets it's people die all the time. That is not an Obama thing, and has been going on far longer than he has been alive.
    You truly are from the darkside of the moon, aren't you??

    The America I remember leaves no one behind!

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizmo View Post
    You truly are from the darkside of the moon, aren't you??

    The America I remember leaves no one behind!
    You got that right. Leave No One Behind | House Committee on Veterans' Affairs

    Maybe this 'new history' is something like 'new math', or teaching children 'Ebonics'.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    If by "freaked out" you mean someone quietly reading your post and then typing a response without so much as a 1 heartbeat per minute increase, then maybe. I think you need a dose of reality on that front, because I don't think that is the first time you've fantasized that someone "freaked out" over one of your posts. Lighten up, Francis.

    And no one is required to provide alternatives in order to rebut such a remark.
    So in other words, i was right, and now you are just making excuses. Carry on.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Then perhaps you can cite some historical precedence where Presidents allowed their diplomats to die and did not send in reinforcements or help but instead just ignored their requests.
    List of attacks on diplomatic missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    there is a list for you. Feel free to read up on the issue and use the citations on the wiki page to educate yourself on reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    That's comical!! This is the country America bombed just a few months earlier and you're concerned about 'straining alliances'??? The US had already bombed the hell out of the place and now you are following the Presidents claim that they wouldn't let you in???? Do you seriously believe that??It defies all logic!
    That does ignore the reality we had bombed them to help the people who are in power now set up their sovereign government. We did not invade, and yes that means that from a diplomacy standpoint we do have to respect their sovereignity. Plus it would completely undermine any efforts we made and the government that was established if US troops were allowed to march through civilian areas and act as invaders. None of the citizens of that country would have been OK with that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you think Libya was prepared to go to war with the United States if they tried to save their people? Who told you that?
    So because a country cannot make a legitimate war with the US we should be allowed to do whatever we want to and violate any sovereign nation's borders? That is a pretty messed up attitude on your part.

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