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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Its really sick that the deaths of those in our foreign service are acceptable because "Bush" or anyone else for that matter did it. The best the left can come up with is - "Why Does it Matter?" Remember that hilda fans, remember it because when she wants her promotion IT WILL MATTER.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Of the tens of thousands of other Americans who have died in terrorist attacks or fighting terrorism why do you think only these 4 were killed by a lack of ability on the part of their bosses?

    I've yet to hear a good reason for the President of SecState to willingly leave four Americans to die, but despite no reason to do so many people believed that's what happened.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Of the tens of thousands of other Americans who have died in terrorist attacks or fighting terrorism why do you think only these 4 were killed by a lack of ability on the part of their bosses?

    I've yet to hear a good reason for the President of SecState to willingly leave four Americans to die, but despite no reason to do so many people believed that's what happened.
    It was called a Re-Election, Party Time and Lack of Vision.....Did you happen to come up with a Link as to where Obama was at that time, you know to show he was on the Ball? Got an answer as to why Hillary never called back to check on her people, after she talked to Hicks and was told what was going on?

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Of the tens of thousands of other Americans who have died in terrorist attacks or fighting terrorism why do you think only these 4 were killed by a lack of ability on the part of their bosses?

    I've yet to hear a good reason for the President of SecState to willingly leave four Americans to die, but despite no reason to do so many people believed that's what happened.
    When you are selling the idea that UBL is dead, GM is alive & well and that Al Qaeda style terror is under control then admitting that on the anniversary of 9/11 that you had defenssless a US facility in Lybia acttacked by terrorists is not going to fit that narrative very well. Obama, and his cronies, sought to create the illusion that this was a spontaneous act of movie protestors run amok or some kind of "soft terror". It only had to hold up until after the 2012 election then "at that point" it made no difference (to the Obamatrons).
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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Its really sick that the deaths of those in our foreign service are acceptable because "Bush" or anyone else for that matter did it. The best the left can come up with is - "Why Does it Matter?" Remember that hilda fans, remember it because when she wants her promotion IT WILL MATTER.
    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It was called a Re-Election, Party Time and Lack of Vision.....Did you happen to come up with a Link as to where Obama was at that time, you know to show he was on the Ball? Got an answer as to why Hillary never called back to check on her people, after she talked to Hicks and was told what was going on?
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    When you are selling the idea that UBL is dead, GM is alive & well and that Al Qaeda style terror is under control then admitting that on the anniversary of 9/11 that you had defenssless a US facility in Lybia acttacked by terrorists is not going to fit that narrative very well. Obama, and his cronies, sought to create the allusion that this was a spontaneous act of movie protestors run amok or some kind of "soft terror". It only had to hold up until after the 2012 election then "at that point" it made no difference (to the Obamatrons).
    None of these are reasons to leave them to die, how does Americans dying right before an election help one get elected? To tell me that he let them die because he was worried about re-election makes no damn sense at all. Likewise keeping the narrative that AQ is under control is not a good reason, how does it help the message that AQ style terrorism is under control if they successfully kill four Americans? Wouldn't it make more sense to rescue four Americans so they could claim no victory? Seriously, if you're thinking of how to spread the message that AQ and terrorism is under control, why would you think that letting terrorists kill four Americans would help that message?

    And the narrative of a spontaneous attack, how does it help that narrative if four people are killed? Dead bodies is only going to bring more s****iny over what happened, not less. And how does whether people people were killed or not play into spontaneity? Do we think that people are more likely to die in spontaneous attacks rather than pre-planned ones, therefore they had to let four people die to carry that narrative?

    Sorry but there's no good reason anybody, especially someone trying to get re-elected literally less than two months later would deliberately let this happen.

    The attack on Benghazi was a tragic event, but **** happens in the world, its not the first time that an embassy or diplomatic compound has been attacked nor Americans killed while overseas. What makes this event so damn special that it deserves so much damn attention other than the fact that it makes useful political fodder?

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Notice how the only people being held accountable for the four deaths in Benghazi are dead?

    Nobody had any idea something like this could happen.
    Nobody tried to help them (that didn't get killed).
    Nobody knew why this happened.
    Nobody still knows why this happened.
    Nobody knows what the president was doing while this was happening.
    Nobody knows who denied sending help.

    Nobody knows anything about this but four people are cleared? Why were they ever blamed? I'd be willing to bet none of the four set/made policy or sop alone.

    The former Sec of State said, "What difference does it make?". Well, she had a point. She knew NOBODY was going to be held accountable that was still alive.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    None of these are reasons to leave them to die, how does Americans dying right before an election help one get elected? To tell me that he let them die because he was worried about re-election makes no damn sense at all. Likewise keeping the narrative that AQ is under control is not a good reason, how does it help the message that AQ style terrorism is under control if they successfully kill four Americans? Wouldn't it make more sense to rescue four Americans so they could claim no victory? Seriously, if you're thinking of how to spread the message that AQ and terrorism is under control, why would you think that letting terrorists kill four Americans would help that message?

    And the narrative of a spontaneous attack, how does it help that narrative if four people are killed? Dead bodies is only going to bring more s****iny over what happened, not less. And how does whether people people were killed or not play into spontaneity? Do we think that people are more likely to die in spontaneous attacks rather than pre-planned ones, therefore they had to let four people die to carry that narrative?

    Sorry but there's no good reason anybody, especially someone trying to get re-elected literally less than two months later would deliberately let this happen.

    The attack on Benghazi was a tragic event, but **** happens in the world, its not the first time that an embassy or diplomatic compound has been attacked nor Americans killed while overseas. What makes this event so damn special that it deserves so much damn attention other than the fact that it makes useful political fodder?

    Because at the time.....it wasn't believed any of our people would die. They thought Security was provided and all was covered. Then they discovered those that hit us were in fact the same people who were providing security for us.

    Also the Other reason for lack of vision and not seeing the Call out for 911. That we got hit on the Anniversary thereof.

    Another reason would be due to the issue as to why Stevens was there in the First Place and at that time of night and Meeting the Turk's Envoy. Considering the Turks made a special trip and all.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

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    Diplomats punished for Benghazi back on job | Fox News

    Four Americans dead, government cover-up, lies and deception at the highest levels, corruption, no accountability and American credibility in further decline. Diplomats reinstated after a year long paid vacation! Sick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    None of these are reasons to leave them to die, how does Americans dying right before an election help one get elected? To tell me that he let them die because he was worried about re-election makes no damn sense at all. Likewise keeping the narrative that AQ is under control is not a good reason, how does it help the message that AQ style terrorism is under control if they successfully kill four Americans? Wouldn't it make more sense to rescue four Americans so they could claim no victory? Seriously, if you're thinking of how to spread the message that AQ and terrorism is under control, why would you think that letting terrorists kill four Americans would help that message?

    And the narrative of a spontaneous attack, how does it help that narrative if four people are killed? Dead bodies is only going to bring more s****iny over what happened, not less. And how does whether people people were killed or not play into spontaneity? Do we think that people are more likely to die in spontaneous attacks rather than pre-planned ones, therefore they had to let four people die to carry that narrative?

    Sorry but there's no good reason anybody, especially someone trying to get re-elected literally less than two months later would deliberately let this happen.

    The attack on Benghazi was a tragic event, but **** happens in the world, its not the first time that an embassy or diplomatic compound has been attacked nor Americans killed while overseas. What makes this event so damn special that it deserves so much damn attention other than the fact that it makes useful political fodder?
    If it was successfully sold as a spontaneous attack, for which we had no warning, then the idea that even understanding what was going on, much less resonding to it, was "impossible" is easier to sell. As you have said, this was simply intended to be filed under "stuff occurs" and downplayed as being "real terrorism" (organized and preplanned). When we were told months ago that swift and sure justice would occur for "those involved" and that all the facts would be reveiwed we have yet to see the first arrest or even any tesitmony from those present at the actual event site. The deaths may have not been preventable but the effort put forth in the cover up/follow up makes that seem very unlikely, IMHO.
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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If it was successfully sold as a spontaneous attack, for which we had no warning, then the idea that even understanding what was going on, much less resonding to it, was "impossible" is easier to sell. As you have said, this was simply intended to be filed under "stuff occurs" and downplayed as being "real terrorism" (organized and preplanned). When we were told months ago that swift and sure justice would occur for "those involved" and that all the facts would be reveiwed we have yet to see the first arrest or even any tesitmony from those present at the actual event site. The deaths may have not been preventable but the effort put forth in the cover up/follow up makes that seem very unlikely, IMHO.
    I make no excuses for the narrative, "spontaneous attack" was clearly wrong from the beginning, the fact that they were attacked in two different places and received indirect fire makes it extremely difficult to call it a spontaneous attack.

    Also not seeing an arrest yet is not uncommon for terrorism, it took over 2 years to arrest the guy behind the 1993 WTC bombings, and there's still people that are "at large" but have warrents out for their involvement in the African embassy bombings in the 90s, the 1993 WTC bombing, the USS Cole Bombing, the 9/11 attacks, etc... When you're target is overseas you're ability to arrest is entirely dependant on the willingness of the local government to arrest and turn that guy over to you, except for the rare case like OBL where we go get the guy.

    No President is going to say it'll take years, or admit that it will take months just to do the investigation, they'll always promise swift justice.

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    Re: Diplomats in Benghazi Debacle Back on Job

    If can't say anything else about federal government, you have to admit they are masters at sweeping things under the rug.

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