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Tea Party Favorite Cruz releases birth certificate

Bronson said:
And what is that?
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What is what? The Tea Party? I don't understand your question, unless you are trying to tell me you don't see a movement of those who consider themselves Tea Party.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do you know the difference between inconsistency and consistency? Obama's issues were that he had been reported born in the US and Kenya. Then, his mother may have been to young to bestow birth rights to him. When he released his certificate, every one but the few that really didn't want to hear it believed it.

Cruz has never denied being born in Canada and there has never been a question that his mother could bestow birth rights on him. The hypocrisy stays in the OP.
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Well, no ... the hypocrisy remains firmly among the birthers who insisted that Obama's mother could not bestow those same birth rights unto Obama because he was born in another country -- same as Cruz.

And who knows what you're talking about his mother being too young to confer birth rights to him ...

8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person​

She needed to be only 16 years of age at his birth and she was almost 19.
 
Peter King said:
For the record, I am of the opinion that he is a natural born citizens, but if Obama was not a natural born citizens who was born from an American mother inside the US than the birthers should also have an issue with Cruz's birth. He was born outside of the US and if you follow their thinking pattern, it would mean that Cruz is not a natural born citizen.
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It means he was born ... a Canadian.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It means he was born ... a Canadian.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Brit Canadian might be ok but French Canadian is definitely ****ed up.





:D
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well, no ... the hypocrisy remains firmly among the birthers who insisted that Obama's mother could not bestow those same birth rights unto Obama because he was born in another country -- same as Cruz.

And who knows what you're talking about his mother being too young to confer birth rights to him ...

8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person​

She needed to be only 16 years of age at his birth and she was almost 19.
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So you admit that Obama was born in Kenya?
 
Slyfox696 said:
What is what? The Tea Party? I don't understand your question, unless you are trying to tell me you don't see a movement of those who consider themselves Tea Party.
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What's the "definite element" which unites the Tea Party? I'm not trying to trick you or something. I'm just curious what you believe it to be.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
It means he was born ... a Canadian.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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From what I understand, a natural born American can be born outside the US if the parent or parents are Americans. That is regulated in the US constitution and because the birthers tried to make it into something it was not with Obama does not mean that democrats have to be equally narrow minded and unfair to do this with Cruz as a retaliation because of what happened to Obama.
 
Velvet Elvis said:
Cheap ploy is cheap.
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I'll petition my senators and representatives for an amendment for the following:

"'Article II, Section 1 - Qualifications for the Office of the President, is hereby amended to be only the following:

"No person except a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President"

Get rid of the age and time requirements. They serve no purpose in today's world.

You in?
 
head of joaquin said:
Apparently, since he was born in Canada, he's qualified to run for prime minister of Canada.

The poor birther is so dumb he's opened up a can a worms about his own eligibility.
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You don't have to be born in Canada to be prime minster you just have to be a citizen.
 
Peter King said:
From what I understand, a natural born American can be born outside the US if the parent or parents are Americans. That is regulated in the US constitution and because the birthers tried to make it into something it was not with Obama does not mean that democrats have to be equally narrow minded and unfair to do this with Cruz as a retaliation because of what happened to Obama.
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Don't get me wrong, I believe Cruz is Constitutionally eligible to be president. I'm just dancing at the hypocrisy of the right.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Don't get me wrong, I believe Cruz is Constitutionally eligible to be president. I'm just dancing at the hypocrisy of the right.
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To be fair, the far, far, far right is questioning Cruz in largely the same light as they did Obama.

It's the rest of the GOP that's being a bunch of hypocrites.
 
obvious Child said:
To be fair, the far, far, far right is questioning Cruz in largely the same light as they did Obama.

It's the rest of the GOP that's being a bunch of hypocrites.
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Maybe the far right has another issue with Cruz, just like Obama is half black, Cruz is half latino. I do not know whether that is the problem for the extreme right but it is possible.
 
Peter King said:
From what I understand, a natural born American can be born outside the US if the parent or parents are Americans. That is regulated in the US constitution and because the birthers tried to make it into something it was not with Obama does not mean that democrats have to be equally narrow minded and unfair to do this with Cruz as a retaliation because of what happened to Obama.
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Cruz's parents should have declared his birth to the nearest embassy in canada and had them issue some forms declaring his citizenship. It does not seem to be a technical requirement, but they do say it could interfere with his rights as a citizen if his parents did not go through that process. They did neglect doing that probably for purposes of gaining canadian benefits restricted from US citizens. The reality is it makes his citizenship much more questionable than Obama's was considering Obama had a BC from within the US and his parents certainly never needed to go contact a US embassy to have him declared a citizen. There is actuallty a basis for questioning cruz's citizenship due to lack of following process. It does not mean he is not a citizen, just that it is far more questionable than a person who could prove they were born in america to an american citizen. But birthers are crazy and do not care about their hypocrisy.
 
obvious Child said:
To be fair, the far, far, far right is questioning Cruz in largely the same light as they did Obama.

It's the rest of the GOP that's being a bunch of hypocrites.
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We will see about that when he runs and faces legal challenges to his candidacy in courts like Obama did. It is early for any of those challenges to be filed, and you cannot say they are treating it the same until it is the proper time to file them and they are either filed or not.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Do you know the difference between inconsistency and consistency? Obama's issues were that he had been reported born in the US and Kenya. Then, his mother may have been to young to bestow birth rights to him. When he released his certificate, every one but the few that really didn't want to hear it believed it.

Cruz has never denied being born in Canada and there has never been a question that his mother could bestow birth rights on him. The hypocrisy stays in the OP.
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Then there is the question of his odd social security number and the foreign aid he received as a student.
 
Bronson said:
What's the "definite element" which unites the Tea Party? I'm not trying to trick you or something. I'm just curious what you believe it to be.
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There are several elements which demonstrate the Tea Party influence. But, generally speaking, it's a more extreme right-wing Republican base, many times trying to pass themselves off as libertarian despite their many times oppressive social beliefs. But I think describing the Tea Party can best be summed up in two pictures.

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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well, no ... the hypocrisy remains firmly among the birthers who insisted that Obama's mother could not bestow those same birth rights unto Obama because he was born in another country -- same as Cruz.

And who knows what you're talking about his mother being too young to confer birth rights to him ...

8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person​

She needed to be only 16 years of age at his birth and she was almost 19.
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That was the information that was debated. And there was some information that was contrary to that. When it came to light that everything was kosher, nearly everyone let it go. But there was nothing wrong with having the debate then, and there is still nothing wrong with having the debate now. The OP isn't interested in a debate though, he's just interested in name calling and gotcha posts.

And I still maintain that every candidate on the ballot should submit credentials to each state detailing their eligibility to be the POTUS. I have to go through a background check every time I get a job, why not go through a background check to POTUS? Seems logical to me.
 
disneydude said:
LOL....here come the hypocrites. Nice attempt at justification for your hypocrisy....but major FAIL!
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Oh knows...he said I failed...how will my life ever be the same?

C'mon man. All you are really interested is name calling and gotcha politics. If you can't acknowledge there are differences, then you clearly are the hypocrite in this thread.
 
zimmer said:
Then there is the question of his odd social security number and the foreign aid he received as a student.
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Do you have a link to those claims? A cursory search of Google came up short.
 
disneydude said:
Actually....no. It made the birther crowd look like complete imbeciles and derailed the biggest birther imbeciles Presidential Hopes - Donald Trump
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LOL.

No, Obama is the one with egg on his face. As always.

The President of the United States of all Americans could have released his birth certificate at any time. Instead, he does what he always does, plays politics, divides Americans, creates wedge issues on so on. And lets not forget that it was Obama himself who was the founding "birther". He started it all. Now compare that to Cruz. The issue pops up. The issue is taken care of. On to something else.
 
he is a US citizen, but the hypocracy would be so thick if they nominated him...
disneydude said:
...and it turns out, he was born in Canada

Tea party favorite Cruz releases birth certificate

"U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has released his birth certificate amid concerns that being born in Canada could derail a possible presidential run by the tea party firebrand."


It will be interesting to see if the birther crowd, many of whom align with the tea party crowd expose themselves as hypocrites if they continue to back him.

Personally I think it is silly. He's a US citizen.
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disneydude said:
...and it turns out, he was born in Canada

Tea party favorite Cruz releases birth certificate

"U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has released his birth certificate amid concerns that being born in Canada could derail a possible presidential run by the tea party firebrand."


It will be interesting to see if the birther crowd, many of whom align with the tea party crowd expose themselves as hypocrites if they continue to back him.

Personally I think it is silly. He's a US citizen.
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I agree, he is a US citizen and a Canadian citizen, which makes not difference if he runs for President. I wonder if the birthers will question the autheticity of his certificate like they are still questioning the President's. Unlikely, I say.
 
One does have to wonder how a guy as 'smart' as Ted Cruz, Harvard grad, Supreme Court attorney, could be so clueless about his personal citizenship status

Cruz renounces any claim to Canadian citizenship - First Read

"Given the raft of stories today about my birth certificate, it must be a slow news day. The facts of my birth are straightforward: I was born in 1970 in Calgary, Canada. Because my mother was a U.S. citizen, born in Delaware, I was a U.S. citizen by birth. When I was a kid, my Mom told me that I could choose to claim Canadian citizenship if I wanted. I got my U.S. passport in high school.

"Because I was a U.S. citizen at birth, because I left Calgary when I was 4 and have lived my entire life since then in the U.S., and because I have never taken affirmative steps to claim Canadian citizenship, I assumed that was the end of the matter.

"Now the Dallas Morning News says that I may technically have dual citizenship. Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship. Nothing against Canada, but I'm an American by birth and as a U.S. Senator, I believe I should be only an American."
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