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Former Disney star Lee Thompson Young commits suicide at 29

About what? Why *YOU* ought to feel bad because her son killed himself?

purely selfish reason...but I feel bad, in part, because I really liked the show he was on.
 
It's not that life is actually ****ty - it's that they perceive it to be intolerable.

It's how one views things that's the difference.

And none of us knows what was in Lee Thompson Young's heart or mind. I wasn't familiar with his Disney background, but he did good work on "Rizzoli and Isles" and his star was continuing to rise.

Only 29. Breaks my heart. Sickening.
 
I don't get why anyone thinks this, or any suicide, is a tragedy. If someone doesn't want to live anymore, why should they be forced to, so long as it's their own choice in the matter?

Because if my kids have problems I can help them fix it - killing yourself when you have 80 years left in life is ridiculous and senseless.

I've dealt with this twice in the last year with my two older children. Guess what? They're worlds better, now. Turns out that what had them falling apart was manageable as long as they had proper support. Though I actually had to make a rule that they weren't allowed to hurt their selves in any way. :roll: I have to actually explain this to you?

It's a tragedy to die for no reason just because you don't see a way out or someone else doesn't care about you.

I didn't bring my children into the world so that same world can crush them. I brought them into the world so they can struggle and come out better for it in the end.

Of course, my kids were 12/14 when this was an issue in our family. . .and is it not an issue anymore? No - it's just not as dire right now, but it's still a concern.
 
purely selfish reason...but I feel bad, in part, because I really liked the show he was on.

Was he on any shows currently? He was on Jett Jackson, he had a short-role on FlashForward. Both of those shows are on DVD, I'm sure. So what are you missing, honestly?
 
I think you know what I meant.

She's perfectly entitled to feel bad, she had a personal relationship with him. You didn't, unless there's something about you we don't know.
 
About what? Why *YOU* ought to feel bad because her son killed himself?

people usually want to live because they have a living instinct .

but if they want to die when they are young and physically healthy it means they have a problem .
 
Former Disney star Lee Thompson Young commits suicide at 29 - NBC News.com

wow. so sad. I've never gotten "suicide", been through some pretty bad times and never thought about doing it. Maybe if I had been caught molesting a kid and was facing decades of abuse in prison, maybe.
Pretty sad. Dying at 29 is sad, period. Add to that a dream career and it's even sadder. I would suspect that he had some sort of mental illness or seemingly intolerable recent life events. And, in the end, people ultimately commit suicide when the difficultly and pain they experience exceeds the coping mechanisms they have. This is why it's essential that people with depression and other mental illnesses get treatment - so that they can learn how to cope with the pain and difficulties that result from their mental illness so that it doesn't overcome them.
 
She's perfectly entitled to feel bad, she had a personal relationship with him. You didn't, unless there's something about you we don't know.

You certainly interpret what others say to suit your purpose, don't you?

You don't know anything about me, actually, so all you have to go on is what I write. You're willfully misconstruing my point. That's fine with me just so long as you're aware that it's pretty transparent. :roll:
 
It has nothing to do with being a misanthrope, it has to do with people being free to choose what they want to do with their bodies. If someone doesn't want to live any longer, for whatever reason, then it ought to be up to them if and when they choose to end their own life. It's certainly not a tragedy for the person involved, they are exercising their free will. It's only really a tragedy for the people who were directly and personally involved with the one who committed suicide. It's just that the biggest deal tends to be made by people who neither had any personal connection to the individual in question or any understanding of the individual's mindset, wishes or desires.

You do have a point. There are people (ex terminally ill with excruciating pain) for whom life would be best if ended. However, I don't think that's the case in every suicide, or even in most suicides.

PS - When I made the misanthrope remark, I thought I was responding to Oscar.
 
Wow, you can read my mind.
No, I can't read your mind. However, I know the difference between genuine confusion and feigned confusion. When someone says that they don't "get" something that is exceptionally easy to get, they are feigning confusion in order to make a point. That's what you did. /shrug
 
Was he on any shows currently? He was on Jett Jackson, he had a short-role on FlashForward. Both of those shows are on DVD, I'm sure. So what are you missing, honestly?

He was on Rizzoli & Iles on TNT. In fact, the last episode of the season had to be shelved now.
 
Actually, he played Detective Barry Frost on "Rizzoli and Isles."
 
She's perfectly entitled to feel bad, she had a personal relationship with him. You didn't, unless there's something about you we don't know.
People feel bad for people they don't know all the time. It's called sympathy and empathy. This is basic human stuff here, Cephus. If someone doesn't have the capacity to feel for people they don't know, there is a problem.
 
Because if my kids have problems I can help them fix it - killing yourself when you have 80 years left in life is ridiculous and senseless.

To you. To them, who knows? If they want to be helped, great. If they do not, it's not your job to impose "help" upon them. It's not up to you to determine how long another human being on this planet lives, regardless of your personal, emotional attachment to them. This guy was 29 years old, an adult, he ought to be able to make his own decisions.

I've dealt with this twice in the last year with my two older children. Guess what? They're worlds better, now. Turns out that what had them falling apart was manageable as long as they had proper support. Though I actually had to make a rule that they weren't allowed to hurt their selves in any way. :roll: I have to actually explain this to you?

That you're reacting entirely emotionally? No, that's quite clear. The problem is that so many people seem to have a major problem with over-emotionalizing, any time anyone dies, they freak out like it's the end of the world. In reality, it isn't about someone else's demise, it's about their own fear of death, projected onto others.

It's a tragedy to die for no reason just because you don't see a way out or someone else doesn't care about you.

But you're the one projecting onto him. Apparently he saw a reason to die because he killed himself. He didn't do it for no reason. Just because you don't agree with his reasons doesn't mean those reasons didn't exist, or were not valid to him.

I didn't bring my children into the world so that same world can crush them. I brought them into the world so they can struggle and come out better for it in the end.

But you only have control for so long, after which, they're adults and get to make their own decisions. Some people don't want to go on living. That's just the way it is. Some people just act stupidly and end up dead as a result. That's also just the way it is. My grandfather died in his 60s because he was a diabetic and refused to take care of himself. My father died in his 60s because he spent a certain amount of his life smoking (we don't know for sure how long, he hid it for decades) and got cancer. As much as I miss them both, I have no right to force my views on either of them and force them to act in accordance to my wishes. They were adults, they made their own choices, they paid the consequences for them.

That's really the issue, so many people are terrified of death that whenever anyone dies, even someone they've never met, they freak out instead of just accepting the inevitable conclusion that death is a natural part of life. I get that a lot of people have a strong emotional reaction to the thought of dying, but to take that to the extreme of claiming that other people, people they don't even personally know, have to live by a particular set of dictates that keep them alive, even if they don't want to be, just so the individual can feel good about not dying, is a bit absurd, wouldn't you say?
 
people usually want to live because they have a living instinct .

but if they want to die when they are young and physically healthy it means they have a problem .

Cool. Then live. Don't try to push other people to do the same thing if they don't want to, just because it makes *YOU* feel better.
 
You certainly interpret what others say to suit your purpose, don't you?

You don't know anything about me, actually, so all you have to go on is what I write. You're willfully misconstruing my point. That's fine with me just so long as you're aware that it's pretty transparent. :roll:

I can only respond to what you actually say, that's one of the limitations of a public forum. If you want me to respond to something else, spell it out and I will.
 
You do have a point. There are people (ex terminally ill with excruciating pain) for whom life would be best if ended. However, I don't think that's the case in every suicide, or even in most suicides.

But you're imposing your own standards on others, don't you see that? You're deciding for others if they would be better off dead, or better off alive, based on your own wants and desires. You don't even stop to consider their wants or desires. You just expect them to think as you do, because you think it. It doesn't really work that way.

PS - When I made the misanthrope remark, I thought I was responding to Oscar.

No worries, I don't take things around here personally.
 
He was on Rizzoli & Iles on TNT. In fact, the last episode of the season had to be shelved now.

That's why I asked. It doesn't really change the argument, but fine, he was on a current TV show. Are you really upset because it messes with your TV viewing schedule?
 
No, I don't see that.

Maybe you could quote the post where I imposed any standards on anyone else.

Here you go:

sangha said:
There are people (ex terminally ill with excruciating pain) for whom life would be best if ended.
 
To you. To them, who knows? If they want to be helped, great. If they do not, it's not your job to impose "help" upon them. It's not up to you to determine how long another human being on this planet lives, regardless of your personal, emotional attachment to them. This guy was 29 years old, an adult, he ought to be able to make his own decisions.



That you're reacting entirely emotionally? No, that's quite clear. The problem is that so many people seem to have a major problem with over-emotionalizing, any time anyone dies, they freak out like it's the end of the world. In reality, it isn't about someone else's demise, it's about their own fear of death, projected onto others.



But you're the one projecting onto him. Apparently he saw a reason to die because he killed himself. He didn't do it for no reason. Just because you don't agree with his reasons doesn't mean those reasons didn't exist, or were not valid to him.



But you only have control for so long, after which, they're adults and get to make their own decisions. Some people don't want to go on living. That's just the way it is. Some people just act stupidly and end up dead as a result. That's also just the way it is. My grandfather died in his 60s because he was a diabetic and refused to take care of himself. My father died in his 60s because he spent a certain amount of his life smoking (we don't know for sure how long, he hid it for decades) and got cancer. As much as I miss them both, I have no right to force my views on either of them and force them to act in accordance to my wishes. They were adults, they made their own choices, they paid the consequences for them.

That's really the issue, so many people are terrified of death that whenever anyone dies, even someone they've never met, they freak out instead of just accepting the inevitable conclusion that death is a natural part of life. I get that a lot of people have a strong emotional reaction to the thought of dying, but to take that to the extreme of claiming that other people, people they don't even personally know, have to live by a particular set of dictates that keep them alive, even if they don't want to be, just so the individual can feel good about not dying, is a bit absurd, wouldn't you say?

I'd say that projecting the way you are here is absurd. You're seeing what others are saying through your own prism. Maybe there are folks out there who are terrified of dying, but you might be surprised by how many are not.

I'll leave you to your own imaginings about vengeance and terror and all that and say simply that it's okay to feel empathy for others and to deeply regret the waste of such a young life.

I was shocked to discover when I moved from the big city to the community I now call home that when a funeral procession passes by, everybody pulls over. I mean the 18-wheelers and everybody. I like it. I think it's okay to stop for just a few minutes to acknowledge the passing of a fellow traveler. You know, "The paths of glory lead but to the grave" and "Ask not for whom the bell tolls," etc.
 
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