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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yes I agree. I never mentioned the US.
    France had nothing but reconnaissance aircraft in Libya, US did all the actuall bombing as I recall.

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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Thus the great success that is Lybia today can be attributed to those allied forces.
    got rid of a dictator pretty fast and the fighting stopped a lot faster than Libya so yes it was a success.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    in terms of fire power? Support? Maybe although 90% is a high number.

    Libya worked well because the US doesn't want to lead these interventions, the world doesn't want them to and its just so much more effective if the US sits back and lets other countries take the steering wheel.
    So you mean the US should take its orders from NATO, do all the actual work while everyone else "steers"?

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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    France had nothing but reconnaissance aircraft in Libya, US did all the actuall bombing as I recall.
    US and UK subs launched Tomahawks as well as engaging from the Air but the French also were involved especially in the Second Battle of Benghazi. So you recalled wrong.
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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    got rid of a dictator pretty fast and the fighting stopped a lot faster than Libya so yes it was a success.
    We got rid of UBL (although not very fast) and US fighting will stop next year (according to Obama) - does that make Afghanistan a success too?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We got rid of UBL (although not very fast) and US fighting will stop next year (according to Obama) - does that make Afghanistan a success too?
    no because we still have troops on the ground. How many troops did we deploy to Libya?
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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you mean the US should take its orders from NATO, do all the actual work while everyone else "steers"?


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    actual work. Educate yourself.
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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no because we still have troops on the ground. How many troops did we deploy to Libya?
    Sorry, that is classified.
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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Here is the breakdown and the US did virtually everything in Libya.


    Nato operations in Libya by country

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    Country


    no. of personnel


    No. of air- craft


    Est no. of sorties flown, from beg of war until 5 May 2011


    no. of cruise missiles fired


    Main air base





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    Belgium 170 6 60 Araxos base in south-western greece
    Bulgaria 160 0 0
    Canada 560 11 358 Trapani-Birgi and Sigonella
    Denmark 120 4 161 0 Sigonella, Sicily
    France 800 29 1,200 currently operating from French Air Bases of Avord, Nancy, St Dizier, Dijon and Istres, as well as Evreux and Orléans for planes engaged in logistics.
    Greece 0 0 0 Aktion and Andravida military air fields in Crete
    Italy 12 600 Gioia del Colle, Trapani, Sigonella, Decimomannu, Amendola, Aviano, Pantelleria
    Jordan 30 12 Cerenecia, Libya
    Netherlands 200 7 sardinian base, decimomannu
    Norway 140 6 100 Souda Bay, Crete
    Qatar 60 8 Souda Bay, Crete
    Romania 205
    Spain 500 7
    Sweden 122 8 78 0 Sigonella
    Turkey 6 Sigonella Air Base in Italy
    UAE 35 12 Decimomannu, Sardinia
    UK 1300 28 1,300 18 Gioia del Colle, Italy and RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus
    US 8507 153 2,000 228
    TOTALS 12,909 309 5,857 246

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    Re: Thousands of refugees from Syria pour over the border into Iraqi Kurdistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Here is the breakdown and the US did virtually everything in Libya.


    Nato operations in Libya by country

    Click heading to sort. Download this data



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    no. of personnel


    No. of air- craft


    Est no. of sorties flown, from beg of war until 5 May 2011


    no. of cruise missiles fired


    Main air base





    Download this data


    Belgium 170 6 60 Araxos base in south-western greece
    Bulgaria 160 0 0
    Canada 560 11 358 Trapani-Birgi and Sigonella
    Denmark 120 4 161 0 Sigonella, Sicily
    France 800 29 1,200 currently operating from French Air Bases of Avord, Nancy, St Dizier, Dijon and Istres, as well as Evreux and Orléans for planes engaged in logistics.
    Greece 0 0 0 Aktion and Andravida military air fields in Crete
    Italy 12 600 Gioia del Colle, Trapani, Sigonella, Decimomannu, Amendola, Aviano, Pantelleria
    Jordan 30 12 Cerenecia, Libya
    Netherlands 200 7 sardinian base, decimomannu
    Norway 140 6 100 Souda Bay, Crete
    Qatar 60 8 Souda Bay, Crete
    Romania 205
    Spain 500 7
    Sweden 122 8 78 0 Sigonella
    Turkey 6 Sigonella Air Base in Italy
    UAE 35 12 Decimomannu, Sardinia
    UK 1300 28 1,300 18 Gioia del Colle, Italy and RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus
    US 8507 153 2,000 228
    TOTALS 12,909 309 5,857 246
    Yeh you have the biggest military in the world so....

    But you stated before that only the US were the only country involved in the bombing of Libya which of course isn't true. The US will be involved in most worldwide conflicts in some form mostly because your military arm stretches around the globe but it doesn't have to be the "face" of every conflict. I would be happy if the US provided tactical support, military resources in the Syrian conflict but would not want the US's military involved in too much of the heavy lifting.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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