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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I guess to me, I see more danger in large coalitions supporting one candidate versus another large coalition supporting the second candidate threatening to break free or stay home if the other were to be nominated. I don't think anything will come close to say, 1912, 1964, and 1968 for either party, but I saw more potential in '08.
    Heya Fiddy .....well that would come down to the money anyways. Yet the GOP is correct on how the candidates tore each other down last time. With then afterwards the press with the MSMedia and their 3 day news-cycle.

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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    I agree. That seems to be the truth.

    I wonder why they were so nasty.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What I don't remember seeing in the Democrat primary is every candidate working together to bring down the perceived front runner. 11-12 was essentially every Republican ganging up on whoever they thought was winning to drag them back down. When Newt took the perceived lead, they all ganged up on him. When Perry did, they all brought him down. 07-08 turned into a two strong willed slug fest, but that's very different then a concerted temporary set of alliances that ultimately lead to constant backstabbing.

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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    I like that idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I know.

    Let's have the debates sponsored by John Stewart and Steven Colbert, and televised over Comedy Central.

    That way, there won't be any softball questions, and maybe people will actually watch the debates. Stewart's expressions when the candidates sidestep the questions would be hilarious in themselves.

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    Re: RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Not the same thing. What he was talking about is something they complained about during and since the last primary season. That there were way too many debates and that weakened their final nominee because of all the political infighting which takes place during the primary season. They ate their own.
    There was a saying in the Army I served with... "Pressure makes diamonds!" to which I would add 'or a little squirt of oil if the lump of coal has a flaw in it.'

    The real problem I see with the GOP nomination process is they let in damn near every yahoo who had so many flaws there was ZERO chance of a diamond forming. The addition of the TPs to the process didn't bring the sterilizing 'flame of truth' but rather the wrecking ball of hyperpartisanship. ALL candidates had to stake out positions so far the the right that as the Willard adviser so correctly stated, after securing the nomination we will have an Etch-a-Sketch moment.

    The problem with the larger than life nominees was they all had larger than life millstones. Meteoric rise and just as fast a fall- don't blame MSM for that, these guys had HUGE skeletons in their individual closets, you can't nor should be able to hide this from the citizens.

    As things now stand any candidate that appeals to moderates would be the bane of the TP movement. Any true TP candidate would need a complete failure of a dem candidate to have even a ghost of a chance- and Hillary ain't it.

    Prebuis can dance this around all he wants- it isn't too many debates, or too much time for the MSM to look into the candidates pasts... no Sir, it is the platform the candidates must espouse in order to secure the nomination turning many moderates away from the GOP.

    It would be folly to try and shield the eventual candidate from hard scrutiny until the general, the MSM is going to get it's prying in and if some skeletons like all the sexual harassment charges against Herman Ciane came out then the GOP would have lost by a huge landslide.

    If the RNC wants to manipulate the process better they screen candidates HARD before let them anywhere near the stage. Return the party platform to a more moderate course. Drop social issues like abortion and where a woman should stay... yes I know Tigger will never vote for a GOP candidate but I believe he never has anyways...

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    Re: RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    There was a saying in the Army I served with... "Pressure makes diamonds!" to which I would add 'or a little squirt of oil if the lump of coal has a flaw in it.'

    The real problem I see with the GOP nomination process is they let in damn near every yahoo who had so many flaws there was ZERO chance of a diamond forming. The addition of the TPs to the process didn't bring the sterilizing 'flame of truth' but rather the wrecking ball of hyperpartisanship. ALL candidates had to stake out positions so far the the right that as the Willard adviser so correctly stated, after securing the nomination we will have an Etch-a-Sketch moment.

    The problem with the larger than life nominees was they all had larger than life millstones. Meteoric rise and just as fast a fall- don't blame MSM for that, these guys had HUGE skeletons in their individual closets, you can't nor should be able to hide this from the citizens.

    As things now stand any candidate that appeals to moderates would be the bane of the TP movement. Any true TP candidate would need a complete failure of a dem candidate to have even a ghost of a chance- and Hillary ain't it.

    Prebuis can dance this around all he wants- it isn't too many debates, or too much time for the MSM to look into the candidates pasts... no Sir, it is the platform the candidates must espouse in order to secure the nomination turning many moderates away from the GOP.

    It would be folly to try and shield the eventual candidate from hard scrutiny until the general, the MSM is going to get it's prying in and if some skeletons like all the sexual harassment charges against Herman Ciane came out then the GOP would have lost by a huge landslide.

    If the RNC wants to manipulate the process better they screen candidates HARD before let them anywhere near the stage. Return the party platform to a more moderate course. Drop social issues like abortion and where a woman should stay... yes I know Tigger will never vote for a GOP candidate but I believe he never has anyways...
    For the record, I'm not blaming the MSM or anyone other than the party. They know that the press has been liberal for decades, but that didn't stop other Republican's from winning the general election. And if the party hadn't moved so far to the right they may not have looked like a bunch of totally out of touch regressive TV evangelists asking you to send your money to Jesus but telling you to make the check out in their name. I was truly embarrassed. Oh for the chance to have another Barry Goldwater.

    Other than the clarification on my position above, I agree with everything you said. And well said by the way.

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    Re: RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post

    The real problem I see with the GOP nomination process is they let in damn near every yahoo who had so many flaws there was ZERO chance of a diamond forming. The addition of the TPs to the process didn't bring the sterilizing 'flame of truth' but rather the wrecking ball of hyperpartisanship. ALL candidates had to stake out positions so far the the right that as the Willard adviser so correctly stated, after securing the nomination we will have an Etch-a-Sketch moment.

    Well, they can't stop anyone from running for president; however, they CAN control who is in the debates. Sadly, the one guy I wish had been in there - Buddy Roemer - got frozen out. It's not that I thought he had a chance of winning, but I wanted his message of campaign finance reform to be part of the picture.

    But with such a weak field, guess they didn't have any good way of kicking out some of the participants; so if they had a nationally known name, they got in to the debates.

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    Re: RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Well, they can't stop anyone from running for president; however, they CAN control who is in the debates. Sadly, the one guy I wish had been in there - Buddy Roemer - got frozen out. It's not that I thought he had a chance of winning, but I wanted his message of campaign finance reform to be part of the picture.

    But with such a weak field, guess they didn't have any good way of kicking out some of the participants; so if they had a nationally known name, they got in to the debates.
    I believe in theory they can't stop someone, anyone from running- but the actual effect of not allowing them on the RNC debate stage is to stop any realistic shot at the GOP nomination. Perhaps a solid vetting process BEFORE any public debate would push a few scandal mavens to the rear and allow the Buddy's of the party more of a chance.

    But to be very realistic I doubt either party wants any meaningful campaign finance reform. The media damn sure doesn't.

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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    The Republican's can't win by dividing their base.

    Christie needs to be convinced to run. He is a "rock star" candidate the kind of which can win elecctions. The only thing is he belongs on the Democratic ticket not the Republican one. Putting him up as a "republican" is the same kind of lie as calling Ron Paul a "republican" they are both extremes in the opposite way from the core Republican principles. The Republicans will lose so long as they elect a RINO and think the right side base will be all happy and excited about a VP nominee. (ala 2008 / 2012). The Republican's won't elect the likes of Ron Paul so I'm not worried about it - his son is far more mainstream Republican then Ron ever was.

    As for the "lame stream media" Lee Atwater taught us an important lesson. The media is against us and the more you remind people about it the better. I'm glad the RNC has the marbles to tell CNN/NBC where to take their bias and stick it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Republicans need to swing public opinion again after 8 years of a Democratic-lead country. You don't do that by having a policy of pandering to the same people again and again. Democrats had to learn that lesson the hard way. They had to engage with the massive number of people watching Fox News or on talk radio. It had to be done. There is no need to cut yourself off so soon.

    You don't go repeating crap about the "lame stream media" and expect to impress anyone that isn't already interested.

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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    a) Why would they want their debates on CNN and NBC anyway - no one is watching those networks.

    b) The RNC is free to do what it wants. Rarely do they do a lot that make sense, finally they nailed one.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    The Republican's can't win by dividing their base.

    Christie needs to be convinced to run. He is a "rock star" candidate the kind of which can win elecctions. The only thing is he belongs on the Democratic ticket not the Republican one. Putting him up as a "republican" is the same kind of lie as calling Ron Paul a "republican" they are both extremes in the opposite way from the core Republican principles. The Republicans will lose so long as they elect a RINO and think the right side base will be all happy and excited about a VP nominee. (ala 2008 / 2012). The Republican's won't elect the likes of Ron Paul so I'm not worried about it - his son is far more mainstream Republican then Ron ever was.

    As for the "lame stream media" Lee Atwater taught us an important lesson. The media is against us and the more you remind people about it the better. I'm glad the RNC has the marbles to tell CNN/NBC where to take their bias and stick it.
    Its all moot anyway. The Republican chances of winning in 2016 are between slim and none. The exception to the that: Christie runs. Unfortunately, as of now, he would not make it through the primary process (though that could change.)

    The Cons need to actually put up their presidential version of Christine McDonnell so they can get shallacked a the polls and perhaps then, they will listen to the general electorate and run candidates that have vision and can win.
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    Re: RNC Votes to Block CNN, NBC from Hosting Debates.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks Like Priebus kept his word. The GOP has voted to block CNN and NBC out from any Republican Primaries. Only way they get in. Is to not run the Clinton Specials.



    The Republican National Committee has approved a resolution to block two television networks from hosting GOP presidential primary debates.

    Friday's vote affirms RNC chairman Reince Priebus's (ryns PREE'-bus) threat against CNN and NBC unless the networks drop plans to air programs about possible Democratic presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton. The vote at the committee's summer meeting in Boston was unanimous.....snip~

    RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates
    Any excuse to not actually stand up in front of people and sell what you're talking about.
    Be skeptical of anyone who wears a political label - party or ideology - with pride. Most of our problems are because people love to "debate" (it isn't debate, but they pretend it is), but are not interested in developing solutions. Solutions require empathy, thought, and compromise, and most folks aren't interested.

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