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State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

Mr X said:
So freedom and democracy should be denied to the people of Egypt because the dictator was our ally??
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LOL !!!!

What are you 12 ?

Because I was watching CNN this morning and if THAT's " FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY " then we havn't done them any favors.

Plus I don't buy the whole instant " Democracy " just add water, Narrative.

Obama knew full well that the ouster of Mubarek meant the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. A organization that is hostile against Israel and the US and a orginaization that doesn't believe in freedom or Democracy.

It was ....the point. Maybe Obama thought it might be a good way to return Israel back to its pre-1967 borders but it's clear, with the support that the typical US President has, that he knew a radical Islamic Group was moving in.

Some " Democracy" , especially if your'e a woman.
 
Fenton said:
To a degree sure, but we made a commitment not to mention the House Resolution Bill thats essentially a contractual obligation to defend them.
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I don't support arbitrary and foolish policy decisions that place US lives at risk. :shrug:
 
Tucker Case said:
I don't support arbitrary and foolish
policy decisions that place US lives at risk. :shrug:
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Back to Iraq ?

Minus all of the Democrat false narratives and the demonization of Bush, looking back I would have to say it was a bad decision.

If your'e against policy decisions that endanger US lives than Egypt and Lybia should be high on your list too.

I'm not a Paul Bot who thinks our meddling is what causes acts of terror against the US.

We made a Commitment to Israel, whether Obama likes it or not and we should stick to our commitments.

Not supporting Mubarek was foolish and irresponsible.
 
lizzie said:
It seems that much of the region is seemingly in emergency mode most of the time these days. As much as I hate to say it, maybe they were better off with dictators. At least it wasn't keeping the whole freaking world in a state of unease.
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A de-stabilized country is an ugly thing to see. And live through.
 
Mr X said:
The Egyptian uprising had nothing to do
with Obama. Are you saying that Obama should have provided weapons to Mubarak in order to crush the Egyptian public who were demonstrating?
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You can't be that naive...can you ?

Your'e saying Mubarek's abillity to hold power right up until millions of low information voters elected a Jr Senator with Zero Qualifications AND who had a ideological bone to pick with Israel was based on Coincidence ?

That the Egyptian Islamic Extremist achieved everything they needed in one year to stage a successful Coup ?

I'm begining to notice a pattern here.
 
TheNextEra said:
That's like saying Saddam was a friend because he kept his people in check. Sorry, but that place is screwed up regardless of who is in charge.
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IMO, I don't think Saddam was ever a friend he was just tolerated for geopolitical reasons.. Saddam was merely a pawn in the geopolitical game.

Saddam was a crazy and brutal dictator that continually stepped over the line and the only ones who realized that were the two Bush's... The best part is that his sons (who would have succeeded him) were even crazier and more brutal than he was.

I only wish the people of Iraq were capable of an "Arab spring" -- they weren't because Iraq was a borderline cult of personality - similar to North Korea (just not as mindboggling whacky)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Giving weapons and massive financial aid to the Egyptian military is hardly minding our own business. ;)
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We should supply weapons to both sides. Good in that there will be less muslims to deal with and selling arms will strengthen our economy.
 
Fenton said:
You can't be that naive...can you ?

Your'e saying Mubarek's abillity to hold power right up until millions of low information voters elected a Jr Senator with Zero Qualifications AND who had a ideological bone to pick with Israel was based on Coincidence ?

That the Egyptian Islamic Extremist achieved everything they needed in one year to stage a successful Coup ?

I'm begining to notice a pattern here.
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The successful uprising in Tunisia clearly inspired the Egyptian public, and when the Egyptian army decided to side with the people (probably the deciding factor), Mubarak didn't stand a chance.
And you didn't answer my question: Do you think the US should have tried to help Mubarak crush the Egyptian protesters? It seems that you approve of Brutal dictatorships killing their own people if it's in the US interests.
 
Mr X said:
The successful uprising in Tunisia clearly inspired the Egyptian public, and when the Egyptian army decided to side with the people (probably the deciding factor), Mubarak didn't stand a chance.
And you didn't answer my question: Do you think the US should have tried to help Mubarak crush the Egyptian protesters? It seems that you approve of Brutal dictatorships killing their own people if it's in the US interests.
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A little more to it than that.

After Obama foolishly turned his back on Mubarak, the Egyptian army had to do something.
 
Higgins86 said:
BBC News - Egypt crisis: Gunfire heard at Cairo mosque siege

Gunfire now heard at the mosque siege on another bloody day.
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That's because the MB opened fire on the Egyptian Military. Other Egyptians were attacking and trying to go after the MB that were locked up in the Mosque. They want them out.

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Egyptians security forces escort an Islamist supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood out of the al-Fatah mosque, after hundreds of Islamist protesters barricaded themselves inside …more the mosque overnight, following a day of fierce street battles that left scores of people dead, near Ramses Square in downtown Cairo, Egypt, Saturday, Aug. 17, 2013. Authorities say police in Cairo are negotiating with people barricaded in a mosque and promising them safe passage if they leave. Muslim Brotherhood supporters of Egypt's ousted Islamist president are vowing to defy a state of emergency with new protests today, adding to the tension

In the most recent standoff, Egyptian security forces exchanged heavy gunfire Saturday with armed men at top of a minaret of a Cairo mosque. The security forces fired tear gas, stormed the mosque and rounded up hundreds of Islamists supporters of Morsi who had been barricaded inside overnight.

Egypt's Interior Ministry said in a statement that a total of 1,004 Brotherhood members were detained in raids across the country and that weapons, bombs and ammunition were confiscated with the detainees.

Among the dead Friday was Ammar Badie, a son of Brotherhood spiritual leader Mohammed Badie, the group's political arm said in a statement.

Also Saturday, authorities arrested the brother of al-Qaida chief Ayman al-Zawahri, a security official said Saturday. Mohammed al-Zawahri, leader of the ultraconservative Jihadi Salafist group, was detained at a checkpoint in Giza, the city across the Nile from Cairo, the official said.....snip~

Egypt considers outlawing Muslim Brotherhood
 
notquiteright said:
It is a bit knee jerk to claim prior to the Arab Spring terrorists were held in check when the Gaza crowd got their weapons through very well known smuggler tunnels from Egypt.

It would appear the people of Egypt are throwing out the Muslim Brotherhood for overstepping the boundaries of democracy. I'd say that's a good thang.

Egypt was being bribed big time to keep their standing army at peace but it never the less turned a blind eye to terrorists smuggling arms, and money into Gaza.

We tried the support your local dictator thing with Iran, I do believe most open minded folks say our refusal to distance ourselves from the vicious crackdown of the secret police in Iran before the fall of the Shah got a radical theocracy installed.

It does cause me pause to see those who would speak for a dictator in Egypt as someone who prevented religious fanatics totally ignore the dictator who supports and how's nation is the leading exporter of radical religious terrorists from the region.

Most of the 9-11 hijackers came form which ME country?
Wahhabi home is in which country?
Osama been hiding came from which nation?
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1) Pakistan is in Central Asia, not the Middle East. 2) We should really be investigating our good buddies Saudi Arabia because they export a lot of religious fanaticism and terrorism.
 
Fenton said:
To a degree sure, but we made a commitment not to mention the House Resolution Bill thats essentially a contractual obligation to defend them.

We have a commitment to Taiwan and South Korea and when has the threat of supporting our Allies ever intimidated us to change our commitments ?

I think Obama's ME policy is moré of a threat to Israel than Iran's Nuclear Weapon Program and I'm not chalking it up to his inexperience.
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Where is your evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
1) Pakistan is in Central Asia, not the Middle East. 2) We should really be investigating our good buddies Saudi Arabia because they export a lot of religious fanaticism and terrorism.
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Pakistan is in South Asia, but what does that have to do with this??? :confused:
 
Mr. Invisible said:
You said, "Osama been hiding came from which nation?" He was found hiding in Pakistan.
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My bad, Osama bin Hidin as a play on his name, he was a Saudi national.

and yes we should have been a lot tougher on our 'dear ally' Saudi Arabia but they are the cash cow for big oil so we tread lightly there.
 
MMC said:
That's because the MB opened fire on the Egyptian Military. Other Egyptians were attacking and trying to go after the MB that were locked up in the Mosque. They want them out.

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Egyptians security forces escort an Islamist supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood out of the al-Fatah mosque, after hundreds of Islamist protesters barricaded themselves inside …more the mosque overnight, following a day of fierce street battles that left scores of people dead, near Ramses Square in downtown Cairo, Egypt, Saturday, Aug. 17, 2013. Authorities say police in Cairo are negotiating with people barricaded in a mosque and promising them safe passage if they leave. Muslim Brotherhood supporters of Egypt's ousted Islamist president are vowing to defy a state of emergency with new protests today, adding to the tension

In the most recent standoff, Egyptian security forces exchanged heavy gunfire Saturday with armed men at top of a minaret of a Cairo mosque. The security forces fired tear gas, stormed the mosque and rounded up hundreds of Islamists supporters of Morsi who had been barricaded inside overnight.

Egypt's Interior Ministry said in a statement that a total of 1,004 Brotherhood members were detained in raids across the country and that weapons, bombs and ammunition were confiscated with the detainees.

Among the dead Friday was Ammar Badie, a son of Brotherhood spiritual leader Mohammed Badie, the group's political arm said in a statement.

Also Saturday, authorities arrested the brother of al-Qaida chief Ayman al-Zawahri, a security official said Saturday. Mohammed al-Zawahri, leader of the ultraconservative Jihadi Salafist group, was detained at a checkpoint in Giza, the city across the Nile from Cairo, the official said.....snip~

Egypt considers outlawing Muslim Brotherhood
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I cant blame them for taking shelter and fighting back.
 
lizzie said:
It seems that much of the region is seemingly in emergency mode most of the time these days. As much as I hate to say it, maybe they were better off with dictators. At least it wasn't keeping the whole freaking world in a state of unease.
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They just went from one dictator to another. The only solution to the ills of the Middle East is to kill off all the Islamofacists. The sooner the, "can't we all just get along?", crowd figures that out, the better off everyone will be.
 
apdst said:
They just went from one dictator to another. The only solution to the ills of the Middle East is to kill off all the Islamofacists. The sooner the, "can't we all just get along?", crowd figures that out, the better off everyone will be.
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If we try to do that and it only breeds a next generation of "Islamofascists", then what?
 
Fenton said:
Really ??

I suppose I should expect a response like that from you.

In the interest of ourf National Security and the Security of our long time ally, Israel AND in the interest of the ENTIRE AREA !!!! .....there should be some Consideration to the arbitrary removal of a dictator who has for decades kept his region in a relative state of peace.

Obama and his thug ilk he drug in with him are either so incompetent when it comes to Foreign Policy they didn't realize the stabilizing effect that Mubarek had on his Country and on the Region, OR they want as many radical Islamic theocracies surrounding Israel as possible.

I vote for a little bit of BOTH.

And your statment ? What is it with you Libs and your arbitrary Comparisons on the Fly.

Are you guys just too lazy to offer up any specific consideration ?
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You noticed Obama never said a word when the MB was screwing the country over, but now that the MB is geting their asses kicked, he's all miffed.
 
zstep18 said:
If we try to do that and it only breeds a next generation of "Islamofascists", then what?
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We killed off all the facists during WW2. That seemed to have worked purdy good. The Islamofacists aren't going to just go away. Appessement doesn't work.
 
TheNextEra said:
Agreed. I don't know when the U.S. will learn that the quick "friends" you make now could be our enemies in a decade or sooner. We shouldn't be selling arms or weapons to these places.
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I think you are right we should not be selling arms to our friends. But you are wrong about selling arms. We should be selling arms to EVERYBODY that can rub two pennies together. Iran, Russia, North Korea, everybody. We should sell them almost everything we make besides the really nasty stuff like weaponized biologicals, and especially nasty gases, or nukes. Everything else should be fair game to everyone if they can afford it. We should be the worlds arsenal. The Swiss make watches and chocolate, the Germans nice cars, the Chinese cheap plastic junk, the Koreans and Taiwanese electronic stuff, and America makes the best tanks and aircraft carriers and warplanes. If the Russians want aircraft and aircraft carriers from us we should sell them the equipment and vessels. If Johnny Jihad wants his very own F-22 Raptor with optional Premium Audiophile equipment, why should we deny him the very best, hell we ought to throw in a gold plated M-4 carbine in with it as a thank you. If anybody anywhere needs to defend themselves then they should all know to come to Uncle Sam's Munitions and Weapons Warehouse and Manufactory. After all nothing quite says I love you more then the gift of a fine weapon. It really shows you care. :cool:

There absolutely no sarcastic comments in the proceeding section. Really. No really............ Ok maybe. :2razz:
 
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