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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep DS.....this is where the problem has been. Same deal with Asia. Going back to Clinton. Which leaving these guys to always be picked to serve on the same committees when they have been wrong from the beginning lead to where we are. With those in Office that really have no idea who they are dealing with.

    Many look to McCain as his reputation precedes him.....but that doesn't mean Johnny Quest ever had a clue on seeing what the overall picture was. Not that he was ever able to. Even while serving.
    I agree. Unfortunately, the depth of U.S. expertise in foreign policy seems unusually shallow in recent years. As a result, popular uprisings are caricatured into democratic movements when, in fact, in much of the Mideast, the uprisings are sectarian movements.

    In terms of Senator McCain, good military skills/courage are not the same thing as strategic geopolitical thinking/risk assessment. Some military people have an abundance of both. Others don't. Senator McCain's support and then opposition of aid to Egypt is eerily reminiscent of his predebate panic in 2008 where he said he would postpone his debate participation, only to reverse himself afterward. That kind of zig-zagging is no better than the White House's hesitation. Both responses fail to provide the kind of firmness and certainty needed to help Egypt manage its crisis and they depreciate the nation's potential to shape an outcome consistent with its interests.

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree. Unfortunately, the depth of U.S. expertise in foreign policy seems unusually shallow in recent years. As a result, popular uprisings are caricatured into democratic movements when, in fact, in much of the Mideast, the uprisings are sectarian movements.

    In terms of Senator McCain, good military skills/courage are not the same thing as strategic geopolitical thinking/risk assessment. Some military people have an abundance of both. Others don't. Senator McCain's support and then opposition of aid to Egypt is eerily reminiscent of his predebate panic in 2008 where he said he would postpone his debate participation, only to reverse himself afterward. That kind of zig-zagging is no better than the White House's hesitation. Both responses fail to provide the kind of firmness and certainty needed to help Egypt manage its crisis and they depreciate the nation's potential to shape an outcome consistent with its interests.
    That's Right.....not democratic movements in the first place. But sectarian. I have always disagreed with just handing Countries over to the Sunni to run. Whoever thought of that policy in the first place.....was wrong from the get go. Much of this comes to listening to a lot of what our allies have to say. Rather than ourselves working it from baseline.

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Yesterday, the structure of U.S. assistance to Egypt came up. FWIW, Reuters published an account that provides a breakdown of U.S. aid:

    Military assistance: $1.3 billion
    Economic assistance: $250 million

    Analysis: With Gulf aid, Egypt economy can limp through crisis | Reuters

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Yesterday, the structure of U.S. assistance to Egypt came up. FWIW, Reuters published an account that provides a breakdown of U.S. aid:

    Military assistance: $1.3 billion
    Economic assistance: $250 million

    Analysis: With Gulf aid, Egypt economy can limp through crisis | Reuters
    Then there is Qatar, the UAE, and the Saud that have given 12 billion to Egypt. Plus they are getting a loan thru the IMF. Which will be over 450 Million.

    Definitely tops what we were sending huh.

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    [QUOTE=Tucker Case;1062206913]Freedoms whatever
    you tell their asses it is, right?[/
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    Lol....No it's existence under a Islamic fundamentalist theocracy.

    You can't honestly be making the case that the Muslim Brotherhood was a "Freedom" loving orginization can you ?
    I mean you can't honestly be that Naive can you ?

    Freedom to you is a mysogonistic culture that limits personal choice ?

    How ridiculous.

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol....No it's existence under a Islamic fundamentalist theocracy.

    You can't honestly be making the case that the Muslim Brotherhood was a "Freedom" loving orginization can you ?
    I mean you can't honestly be that Naive can you ?

    Freedom to you is a mysogonistic culture that limits personal choice ?

    How ridiculous.
    Freedom to me is being able to make your own decisions and then living with the consequences of those decisions, thus taking responsibility for them.

    If people make stupid decisions that harm them, so be it. Freedom's a bitch.
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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Freedom to me is being able to make your own decisions and then living with the consequences of those decisions, thus taking responsibility for them.

    If people make stupid decisions that harm them, so be it. Freedom's a bitch.

    Well that's just skippy since the MB isn't concerned with you being able to make your own decisions. Just like they don't allow people in Egypt to make their own decisions.

    You weren't attempting to say the MB was about giving average people Freedom to make their own choices now.....were you?

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well that's just skippy since the MB isn't concerned with you being able to make your own decisions. Just like they don't allow people in Egypt to make their own decisions.
    Wasn't it the Egyptians' decision to give the MB power? Now they are dealing with the consequences of their decision.

    You weren't attempting to say the MB was about giving average people Freedom to make their own choices now.....were you?
    Of course not. Anyone who actually read what I have written could have told you that, though.
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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Wasn't it the Egyptians' decision to give the MB power? Now they are dealing with the consequences of their decision.



    Of course not. Anyone who actually read what I have written could have told you that, though.

    Well they did hold an Election.....but you don't think the people of Egypt really decided to give the MB power now or that they had a way to stop the MB from rigging the election and its process.

    Oh I read what you had to say.....I just was making sure you knew what you were saying when hanging out where the Big Boys Play. This isn't like domestic issues and just dealing with those who you live around.

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    Re: State of Emergancy declared in Egypt!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well they did hold an Election.....but you don't think the people of Egypt really decided to give the MB power now or that they had a way to stop the MB from rigging the election and its process.
    All part of the decisions they made. Do you think that elections are the ONLY way that people make choices?

    Oh I read what you had to say.....
    Did you understand it?
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