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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    3 on 1 is a deadly attack. And my child is not going down with out doing substantial damage.
    I showed my sons where to cut someone to bleed them out. It may take a few minutes, but someone with a cut femoral artery is probably not going to make it.
    Or, would you rather those three just been left alone to kill that boy. And dont say they wouldnt or couldnt. They had already broken his arm and were continuing the attack while the worthless bus driver was yelling at them and the other worthless students just sat there like nothing was happening.
    Hopefully your children will never have to use it...and if they do, hopefully they make the wise decision to do so in an appropriate situation. Using deadly force in non-lethal situations has lead many people to lengthy prison sentences. I know....I see it quite often in my line of work.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Same argument I heard back in the nam days about drinking. "If I'm old enough to fight and die for my country, shouldn't I be old enough to buy a beer?"

    I think we all know, and pretty much agree, that punishment for breaking the law should vary depending on many factors, age being one of them. The problem here is, we have 15 year olds, old enough in more serious cases, to be tried as adults, beating the **** out of a 13 year old, who hasn't even started to grow hair on his balls yet.

    Now, if the 15 year olds were adult, it would be a second degree felony and rack them up some big years in the big house. No one is suggesting that. But this, "Bad boy! Don't you do this again for nine months or we MIGHT put you in jail," simply is not enough.

    Then again, if the 13 year old were my son who was jumped and pummeled, I would be wanting these punk ass pieces of **** to get their head's torn off so I could defecate down their neck. Then I would file the max civil charges I could on the parents.

    But if it was my 15 year old "child," doing the "naughty deeds," I would be wanting all the mercy the court could sling his way.

    But none of these kids are mine. So I'm going to side on behalf of the 13 year old and wish that the 15 year old's get sent to preparatory prison (a.k.a. juvenile detention,) until they are 18 years old. That's the education these young men need. Because I have a feeling, given their parenting and court coddling, that's where they are headed.

    But the prosecution only wants 9 months probation. It doesn't matter what we think.
    I agree with much of what you write. My only contention is that the juvenile system is set up to deal with this. Trying children as "adults" is silly. They could have received hefty youth prison sentences in this case. I'm surprized by the 9 month probation sentence which leads me to believe that there is more to this than we are hearing. I can guarantee that in Los Angeles, they would have received a 1 year boot camp at a minimum and possibly would have been sent to the CYA (California Youth Authority), I know....I worked in the juvenile court for about 5 years and handled hundreds of juvenile cases. This isn't a probation case, unless there is more to it.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Hopefully your children will never have to use it...and if they do, hopefully they make the wise decision to do so in an appropriate situation. Using deadly force in non-lethal situations has lead many people to lengthy prison sentences. I know....I see it quite often in my line of work.
    I have seen it to, but they know that when all else fails. Do what you have to, to survive. And they knew I had their backs 100%.
    Now if they bullied someone, they would have to deal with me after I let the school do whatever it had to to them.
    Fights, drama, pushing shoving, disagreements are part of highschool.
    What happend on that bus was way far beyond that.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have seen it to, but they know that when all else fails. Do what you have to, to survive. And they knew I had their backs 100%.
    Now if they bullied someone, they would have to deal with me after I let the school do whatever it had to to them.
    Fights, drama, pushing shoving, disagreements are part of highschool.
    What happend on that bus was way far beyond that.
    I don't disagree. My only point is that children are different than adults. Unless we as a society are willing to change our entire belief system it is absolutely hypocritical to say that although we recognize that children do not have the same mental capacity and maturity to form rational decisions as adults, we are going to treat them as it they do if they commit a violent offense.
    These kids received a way too lenient sentence based on what I know about the case, but they didn't need to be tried in adult court to be dealt with severely and harshly.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry' [W:245]

    No need to apologize sir.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    But they are not adults. Just what kind of sentencing do you think they should serve? Do you think they should be thrown into adult prisons?
    Now, that's a tough one.

    They are not adults, and no kids should, IMO, be thrown into adult prisons where they will just learn to be more hardened criminals. On the other hand, this goes way beyond a juvenile prank.

    If they were to go into a juvenile hall, then be let out at the age of 18, the odds are very good that they will commit another violent offense. How you rehabilitate a young thug, I'm really not sure.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Now, that's a tough one.

    They are not adults, and no kids should, IMO, be thrown into adult prisons where they will just learn to be more hardened criminals. On the other hand, this goes way beyond a juvenile prank.

    If they were to go into a juvenile hall, then be let out at the age of 18, the odds are very good that they will commit another violent offense. How you rehabilitate a young thug, I'm really not sure.
    Lizzie had posted some good ideas earlier in the thread, having them work with animals being one. I agree with her post. I don't know what to do with the problem of them no longer being a minor once they turn 18. I would say to hold them longer but that would probably not really be possible without changing the age of what we consider to be a minor, or charging them as adults. I think these kids are only 15 at most, so that's 3 years they could serve. It's a complicated issue.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lizzie had posted some good ideas earlier in the thread, having them work with animals being one. I agree with her post. I don't know what to do with the problem of them no longer being a minor once they turn 18. I would say to hold them longer but that would probably not really be possible without changing the age of what we consider to be a minor, or charging them as adults. I think these kids are only 15 at most, so that's 3 years they could serve. It's a complicated issue.
    If these three didn't have any compassion for another human being, why would you put them with animals that are helpless.

    I say keep them as far away from animals as posible.

    As was posted earlier, make them work in a hospital so they see the results of their actions, and make them do the dirtiest jobs there.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If these three didn't have any compassion for another human being, why would you put them with animals that are helpless.

    I say keep them as far away from animals as posible.

    As was posted earlier, make them work in a hospital so they see the results of their actions, and make them do the dirtiest jobs there.
    What makes you think they would be alone with the animals. I'm pretty sure they would be under pretty much constant supervision.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What makes you think they would be alone with the animals. I'm pretty sure they would be under pretty much constant supervision.
    If it is an understaffed shelter, I am positive they will be left alone with the animals. Places like those don't have enough people to do half the work that is needed so they wouldn't have anybody to babysit these guys doing what they needed to do.

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