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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't disagree with you. I don't think that this is a probation worthy case. My point was that I find it foolish and overly hypocritical to treat children as adults when it serves the hunger of the vengeful.
    I understand what you mean here. My OP was not me saying that they should be tried for vengeful reasons, others I can't speak for, but rather the level of the brutality of the crime they committed. I am sure that these 15 year olds knew right from wrong, and I am sure that the level of beating they were committing showed at the very best IMHO, a criminal negligence, at worst attempted murder. I think it was somewhere in the middle. I don't think they cared if they maimed the boy, or injured him psychologically, or outright disabled him for life. And I think they knew it was wrong. All of this talk about their capacity to understand? I believe they did.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I understand what you mean here. My OP was not me saying that they should be tried for vengeful reasons, others I can't speak for, but rather the level of the brutality of the crime they committed. I am sure that these 15 year olds knew right from wrong, and I am sure that the level of beating they were committing showed at the very best IMHO, a criminal negligence, at worst attempted murder. I think it was somewhere in the middle. I don't think they cared if they maimed the boy, or injured him psychologically, or outright disabled him for life. And I think they knew it was wrong. All of this talk about their capacity to understand? I believe they did.
    No one is stating that they didn't understand right from wrong. What I and others are saying is that we as a society recognize that children do not have the same mature mental capacity to make reasoned judgements which is why we don't allow kids to drink alcohol, gamble or vote. It is hypocritical to treat them as if they have mature mental capacity for some things but not others.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No one is stating that they didn't understand right from wrong. What I and others are saying is that we as a society recognize that children do not have the same mature mental capacity to make reasoned judgements which is why we don't allow kids to drink alcohol, gamble or vote. It is hypocritical to treat them as if they have mature mental capacity for some things but not others.
    That is a side issue. No one is arguing about alcohol, or gambling other than you disney. What I am saying is that "reasoned" is in the eye of the actor, and these three reasoned that they would attack this kid. The fact, or play that they can hide behind the Juvenile system to avoid the consequences for their actions is just another reason why we have the society we have today. IMHO ofcourse.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is a side issue. No one is arguing about alcohol, or gambling other than you disney. What I am saying is that "reasoned" is in the eye of the actor, and these three reasoned that they would attack this kid. The fact, or play that they can hide behind the Juvenile system to avoid the consequences for their actions is just another reason why we have the society we have today. IMHO ofcourse.
    I think the juvenile system should be able to hold minors who are convicted of a violent crime and pose a danger risk longer than would be the case in a normal situation. The system does need to be fixed.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I understand it, but maybe a 13 year old boy not from the hood may not understand it.
    He certainly does now.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think the juvenile system should be able to hold minors who are convicted of a violent crime and pose a danger risk longer than would be the case in a normal situation. The system does need to be fixed.
    It is possible that in these boys case it may be possible to turn them around, but while they are incarcerated they also undergo therapy, and do community service in maybe a hospital emergency room, or something to show them the reality of what it is they did to this 13 year old.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    He certainly does now.
    Hopefully next time, once the first punch in thrown. He will have a blade on him and start whittlin' away on them animals.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is a side issue. No one is arguing about alcohol, or gambling other than you disney. What I am saying is that "reasoned" is in the eye of the actor, and these three reasoned that they would attack this kid. The fact, or play that they can hide behind the Juvenile system to avoid the consequences for their actions is just another reason why we have the society we have today. IMHO ofcourse.
    Sure they are, you just haven't been paying attention. BTW it isn't about drinking or alcohol...it is about our society recognizing that children's brains and judgement therefore are not as developed as adults, so we treat them differently....and they aren't "hiding". The juvenile system has the capacity to deal with these types of behaviors. (although I think the 9 month probation sentence was way to lenient).
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Hopefully next time, once the first punch in thrown. He will have a blade on him and start whittlin' away on them animals.
    In most states you don't have the right to use deadly force against a non-deadly attack.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sure they are, you just haven't been paying attention. BTW it isn't about drinking or alcohol...it is about our society recognizing that children's brains and judgement therefore are not as developed as adults, so we treat them differently....and they aren't "hiding". The juvenile system has the capacity to deal with these types of behaviors. (although I think the 9 month probation sentence was way to lenient).
    Well, we are learning more and more as the years go on, but at the very least I can agree to say that they should have a solid psychological workup before making the assessment to determine their true understanding at the time of the crime before deciding which way to proceed. And I think we agree that prosecutor is not asking for appropriate punishment in this case.
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