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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    unfortunately I was the one doing a lot of the "whipping" at school as I fancied myself as a bit of a thug and was constantly in trouble. However I grew up and realised the error of my ways and have become a pretty decent member of society. If you don't allow kids to learn from their mistakes we are royally ****ed as a species.
    Learn from gang beating others? Then the learning should be done from behind bars until the victim can make the decision whether or how he wishes to defend himself after reaching the age of majority.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    look up the definition of self-respect ... that ain't it.
    Self respect denotes love and acceptance of oneself. What these boys demonstrated is not love, but hatred. If they had any self-respect, they would not be destructive.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    while it may be ebonic usage, we know what he meant
    I'll have to disagree. His statement was quite vague.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Self respect denotes
    love and acceptance of oneself
    . What these boys demonstrated is not love, but hatred. If they had any self-respect, they would not be destructive.
    ... sounds like they have an overdose of love for "oneself" and acceptance of whatever "oneself" wants to do.

    What they don't have is compassion and empathy.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    ... sounds like they have an overdose of love for "oneself" and acceptance of whatever "oneself" wants to do.

    What they don't have is compassion and empathy.
    You seem to be confusing love with false pride, which is a product of ego.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    I think all three are necessary (self respect, compassion and empathy) to get where you're going with this. Without compassion and empathy you just have a psychopath. Without self respect you have a perpetual victim. Without any of those you have these thugs.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    look up the definition of self-respect ... that ain't it.
    Noun

    S: (n) dignity, self-respect, self-regard, self-worth (the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect) "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"


    self-re·spect (s lf r -sp kt )
    n.
    Due respect for oneself, one's character, and one's conduct.


    self-respect
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    a proper sense of one's own dignity and integrity
    self-respectful , self-respecting adj


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    proper esteem or regard for the dignity of one's character.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.
    what do you suggest pat the kids on the head tell them it is not their fault they are a victim of society they are not responsible for their actions and send them on their way so next time they actually kill some one?
    The problem we have in prisons we let them loose to mingle with other violent inmates. what needs to be done is one person per cell eat in their cell and 1 hour alone outside for exercise this way they are not influenced by other violent criminals

    if they cant be put in a social environment with out being violent then don't put them in a social environment

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    As I said - it's infinitely harder to re-learn than it is to learn.

    Could the kids be saved? Quite possibly. Would it be worth our time and money? Probably not. Kids like that are more burden than value, because of the time and effort needed. Some people just cannot be reached...and I think anyone who performs deeds this blatant, violent, and malicious - regardless of age - fit that bill.

    Everyone wants to be compassionate and demand it from everyone else. Everyone thinks that it's okay to write a blank check for anyone and anything if it "helps". Eventually, reality and fiscal responsibility sets in and you realize that these kids are probably best off six feet under. Hell, probably the parents too.

    Well surprise surprise surprise....we are gonna just have to agree to disagree. Because I do think it's worth it. Think of the ripple effect socially and fiscally and even economically of redirecting one person. Think of the father who does not leave their children, who teaches them responsibility who holds down a job. How much savings does that one successfully redirected person generate within their lifetime alone. Then think about the generational impact of that.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You seem to be confusing love with false pride, which is a product of ego.
    ... no confusion here ... they've been taught to so love themselves that they can do what they want, that it's cool to do it, and that they're entitled to do it because of their circumstances.
    ... it's the same mindset that makes Keith Ellison believe he has a right to somebody else's money.

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