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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Okay, let's say I give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's just say.

    Here's your chance. I just got a couple of my "boys" together and viciously beat down some kid who dimed me out for slingin'. Set me straight. Say anything you want to me to help me "see the light".

    Go.
    If only it were that simple.

    BTW, I am not suggesting holding his witto hand because he is a victim of a bad environment. My mother pounded the "behavior is a choice" mantra into my head far too deep to let anyone off the hook for it. It's re-parenting and empowering, having expectations and accountability. it would take time. But unless someone has a screw loose (think Charles Manson ) I believe they have the potential to make different choices for themselves. Not everyone. But it is worth the effort to redirect those who can be.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    What makes you think these 3 have no respect for themselves?
    Seems to me they have so much respect for themselves that they believe they're pretty much entitled to do any damn thing they want ... and the coddling they get from the Left helps to reinforce that thinking.
    I was directing that specifically at a comment made by another poster. I have no idea if these kids respect themselves.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    The problem I’ve always had with “harsh justice” advocates is that sending a person to prison is almost always a fail. Under our current system unless you either lock a person up for life, or impose the death penalty then you are merely postponing the inevitable return of violence.

    At the present time all prison sentencing does is throw a bunch of criminals together into a vocational school for crime. Juvenile detention is no different.

    Violent criminals need to be punished, but they also need to be weaned away from future violent action and taught to become a functioning member of society.

    That doesn’t happen when they are merely sent to prison. Instead, they are subjected to violence from their peers, the need to organize to prevent being subjected to continued violence, and once organized they learn the value of continued use of violence in order to gain their own ends.

    Many of us seem to think this is a good thing, a deserved punishment for their acts in our world. Unfortunately, it’s a bad thing because they return to society lessons learned and perpetuate even greater violence.

    I think our prison system should be remodeled to make it a true deterrent, punishment, and tool for rehabilitation. The same system should be set up for juvenile offenses. Then I could gladly support sending these kids to juvie for what they did; they deserve it but it being sent there now is only bound to make things worse.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    If only it were that simple.

    BTW, I am not suggesting holding his witto hand because he is a victim of a bad environment. My mother pounded the "behavior is a choice" mantra into my head far too deep to let anyone off the hook for it. It's re-parenting and empowering, having expectations and accountability. it would take time. But unless someone has a screw loose (think Charles Manson ) I believe they have the potential to make different choices for themselves. Not everyone. But it is worth the effort to redirect those who can be.
    As I said - it's infinitely harder to re-learn than it is to learn.

    Could the kids be saved? Quite possibly. Would it be worth our time and money? Probably not. Kids like that are more burden than value, because of the time and effort needed. Some people just cannot be reached...and I think anyone who performs deeds this blatant, violent, and malicious - regardless of age - fit that bill.

    Everyone wants to be compassionate and demand it from everyone else. Everyone thinks that it's okay to write a blank check for anyone and anything if it "helps". Eventually, reality and fiscal responsibility sets in and you realize that these kids are probably best off six feet under. Hell, probably the parents too.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    What makes you think these 3 have no respect for themselves?
    Seems to me they have so much respect for themselves that they believe they're pretty much entitled to do any damn thing they want ... and the coddling they get from the Left helps to reinforce that thinking.
    That is not respect. Respect is understanding what one's limitations are, acting accordingly, and empathizing with others, while also maintaining a certain level of civility.

    If I respect myself, I am not likely to do things which will cause harm to myself.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    "Juvie" isn't any less of a vocational school for crime, the conditions are [generally] just less severe. The return of those imprisoned to society comes with a huge red flag on their record. The local police now know who they are, who to watch out for and far less slack is given for "mistakes" or general bad behavior. The overriding message is that we care more about protecting the folks around you than we do your personal journey of rehabilitation.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I was directing that specifically at a comment made by another poster. I have no idea if these kids respect themselves.
    Okay ... so you don't buy the "lacking self-respect" argument? ... fine ... it applies to the "something lacking in their lives" argument as well.
    We can just bottom line this and simply acknowledge that they've learned that they can avoid their own guilt by exploiting that of Liberal society.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    The problem I’ve always had with “harsh justice” advocates is that sending a person to prison is almost always a fail. Under our current system unless you either lock a person up for life, or impose the death penalty then you are merely postponing the inevitable return of violence.

    At the present time all prison sentencing does is throw a bunch of criminals together into a vocational school for crime. Juvenile detention is no different.

    Violent criminals need to be punished, but they also need to be weaned away from future violent action and taught to become a functioning member of society.

    That doesn’t happen when they are merely sent to prison. Instead, they are subjected to violence from their peers, the need to organize to prevent being subjected to continued violence, and once organized they learn the value of continued use of violence in order to gain their own ends.

    Many of us seem to think this is a good thing, a deserved punishment for their acts in our world. Unfortunately, it’s a bad thing because they return to society lessons learned and perpetuate even greater violence.

    I think our prison system should be remodeled to make it a true deterrent, punishment, and tool for rehabilitation. The same system should be set up for juvenile offenses. Then I could gladly support sending these kids to juvie for what they did; they deserve it but it being sent there now is only bound to make things worse.
    So, electro shock. Iam down with it.
    Nothing changes behaviour like 10K volts to the temples. LOL

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is not respect. Respect is understanding what one's limitations are, acting accordingly, and empathizing with others, while also maintaining a certain level of civility.

    If I respect myself, I am not likely to do things which will cause harm to myself.
    look up the definition of self-respect ... that ain't it.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So, electro shock. Iam down with it.
    Nothing changes behaviour like 10K volts to the temples. LOL
    ... or to the danglers

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