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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    Anything Asheville and west. I live 70 miles west of Asheville. Never had a problem like this here.


    Oh I was picked on by white kids as well and I am white.This wasn't being picked on,this was attempted murder. Its typical in any non white majority area.
    Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too.

    Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    If these statements are true then I agree with you. I didn't realize that the kid had serious injuries like a broken arm.
    If you can follow a link, go here for current info on the story. It's a pretty sad situation, all the way around, and on many local, and unfortunately, national levels.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/dad-son-s...-boy-on-bus-2/

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too.

    Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.
    So what would you suggest that white kid do? Not only was he younger he was smaller and out numbered by 3 animals intent on killing him...damn near succeeded at that. They need locked away in prison for the rest of their lives.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Cant do it again if they are in jail. And if they beat up another prisoner or get beat up? So what, who cares? Not me.
    Make examples of them. Its about time.
    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    A strict punishment causes a deterrent to keep it from happening again if there is barely any consequences for their actions what deterrent is that?

    First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too.

    Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.
    Personally? I'm staying out of the cities, and out of the mountains. Those mountain hillbillies are freaking clannish.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    What would you want him to say?
    When the judicial system is done with my son I will by God continue the lesson to ensure he never behaves like a thug again. He could start with that.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    I think Robert Heinlein said it best in Starship Troopers, to paraphrase: There is no such thing as a "juvenile delinquent". That is a contradiction in terms. A juvenile is one who is not yet burdened with the duty to follow the code of responsibility, while a delinquent is one who has failed in their duty. How can someone without a duty ever fail at it?

    The fact is, these kids did have a duty, and they failed in it. Practically from infancy we teach our kids that you don't go around savagely beating other people. Arguments can happen, and people sometimes fight, but this was a beating. And not only that, but this beating was allegedly carried out as retribution for the victims involvement in stopping a drug trade? Seriously? One could easily conflate the entire scenario as "gang related."

    Punish the hell out of those kids. Try them like adults. They performed an adult action and committed an adult crime. If they are just too precious and misunderstood and it's not really their fault.... punish their parents for letting them get like that.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.
    Personally, I'd support the idea of "Boot Camps" for kids like this. A place like a military school, where respect is demanded, and compliance with rules is the standard. A lot of these kids have been allowed to roam the streets for most of their lives, and never learned how to respect anything or anyone.
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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Typical white person. Gets a little taste of money and success and the next thing you know he's marrying a minority woman and touting her off like she's some sort of status symbol.
    Esposa de la trophy.

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    Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    So what would you suggest that white kid do? Not only was he younger he was smaller and out numbered by 3 animals intent on killing him...damn near succeeded at that. They need locked away in prison for the rest of their lives.
    Life for assault and battery, even if you toss in the robbery charge for one of them is clearly excessive. I would recommend a year in reform school (juvenile detention) and hope that those fools learn a lesson about what is acceptable behavior. What I would suggest that that white kid does is not change his attitude about reporting crime, but seriously doubt that will happen after seeing the state recommend 9 months of probation as the sentence for a violent group attack upon him.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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