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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

    Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com



    Yes...it's just coincidence that the laws adversely impact groups that vote for the Democratic Party.
    Yes of course voter ID and reasonable early voting rules will help the GOP.

    Eliminating voter fraud will prevent phony and illegal votes from going to the Democrats.

    People that don't trust or place high value in democracy don't place much emphasis on one person, one vote.

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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

    [QUOTE=iliveonramen;1062209933]He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

    Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

    I was referring to another post.

    You seem to think that it's voter suppression that when ID Laws are put into effect votes for the Democrats go down. Is that true?
    Yes...it's just coincidence that the laws adversely impact groups that vote for the Democratic Party.
    No, it's no coincidence. DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud | UnPoliticallyCorrect's Blog

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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Yes of course voter ID and reasonable early voting rules will help the GOP.

    Eliminating voter fraud will prevent phony and illegal votes from going to the Democrats.

    People that don't trust or place high value in democracy don't place much emphasis on one person, one vote.
    Whatever you need to tell yourself.
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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

    Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

    I was referring to another post.

    You seem to think that it's voter suppression that when ID Laws are put into effect votes for the Democrats go down. Is that true?


    No, it's no coincidence. DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud | UnPoliticallyCorrect's Blog
    Sure....out of the 100's of millions of ballots cast since 2008 you find a handful of cases, definitely a good reason for millions of individuals to jump through additional hoops.
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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Sure....out of the 100's of millions of ballots cast since 2008 you find a handful of cases, definitely a good reason for millions of individuals to jump through additional hoops.
    I didn't have to do much searching. But it is clear there is voter fraud going on, often by party leaders, and a lot of it could be prevented by supplying Identity cards. Why not take the precaution? And what 'additional hoops' are you referring to? An ID card?

    As long as these 'additional hoops' apply to everyone there doesn't appear to be any threat to democracy. But illegal voting could certainly be a threat.

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    Re: Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I didn't have to do much searching. But it is clear there is voter fraud going on, often by party leaders, and a lot of it could be prevented by supplying Identity cards. Why not take the precaution? And what 'additional hoops' are you referring to? An ID card?
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    How will the supplying of Identity cards help? It dealt with absentee ballots and fraud taking place after the ballots have been case. There's not one case there that would of been stopped due to an ID card. Which goes back to something I told someone else (believe in another thread). If someone is going to commit voter fraud on a scale that will sing an election it won't be someone going from voting booth to voting booth pretending they are different people. It's going to be someone tossing out thousands of cast ballots. The biggest case of voters votes not counting were hanging chads and butterfly ballots in 2000. That may have (I'm not saying it did) swung an election far beyond a handful of cases.

    That blog you linked to does the searches for you. You also don't have to do much searching to find the total amount of cases prosecuted or even charged for voting fraud. It's less than a hundred for like 10 years.

    As long as these 'additional hoops' apply to everyone there doesn't appear to be any threat to democracy. But illegal voting could certainly be a threat
    You can pass almost any legislation for what can "certainly be a threat". For example...the fact that a few shooters every year are mentally deranged could be a reason you could pass that every gun owners has to go through a psychological evaluation and check up every X number of years to retain their gun license. There you go....a law that adds additional hoops, but is certainly a threat. you're not outlawing the use of guns but you sure do create a large burden on gun owners in order to get and retain their license. That also would apply to everyone.
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