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    Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    According to one of my favorite media watch dogs, yesterday the Sunday talks shows were pushing the idea members of Congress were exempt from Obamacare (PPACA), they are not as pointed out in this article from the Vancouver Washington Columbian.

    Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law | The Columbian


    WASHINGTON - If Americans remember anything about the 2010 health care law, it might be the president's refrain that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

    Everyone, that is, except members of Congress and their staff members.

    A provision inserted into the 2010 Affordable Care Act (ACA) made an exception: House and Senate members and their congressional staff must give up their federal coverage Dec. 31.

    Instead, they're required to enroll in plans sold through the new "health exchanges" in their districts or place of residence.

    That September 2009 amendment, offered by Republican Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, sprang from the GOP's attempts to derail health care reform. Grassley argued politicians should live with their own law, which he opposed. The amendment survived when Democrats pushed the legislation through six months later without a single Republican vote.

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    Now members of Congress will join the earliest initiates to the ACA.



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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    According to one of my favorite media watch dogs, yesterday the Sunday talks shows were pushing the idea members of Congress were exempt from Obamacare (PPACA), they are not as pointed out in this article from the Vancouver Washington Columbian.

    Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law | The Columbian


    WASHINGTON - If Americans remember anything about the 2010 health care law, it might be the president's refrain that "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

    Everyone, that is, except members of Congress and their staff members.

    A provision inserted into the 2010 Affordable Care Act (ACA) made an exception: House and Senate members and their congressional staff must give up their federal coverage Dec. 31.

    Instead, they're required to enroll in plans sold through the new "health exchanges" in their districts or place of residence.

    That September 2009 amendment, offered by Republican Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, sprang from the GOP's attempts to derail health care reform. Grassley argued politicians should live with their own law, which he opposed. The amendment survived when Democrats pushed the legislation through six months later without a single Republican vote.

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    Now members of Congress will join the earliest initiates to the ACA.

    I'm guessing the fact that they will have 70% of their premiums covered by the taxpayers isn't worth mentioning to you?

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I'm guessing the fact that they will have 70% of their premiums covered by the taxpayers isn't worth mentioning to you?
    Many workers get their premiums partially covered by their employer. And btw, ObamaCare isn't the legislation that started paying parts of congress's premium. That was around before ObamaCare. They already enjoy the 70% subsidy. So I'm not sure why you say "they will have 70%..." In reality it's "They will continue to have 70%".
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Many workers get their premiums partially covered by their employer. And btw, ObamaCare isn't the legislation that started paying parts of congress's premium. That was around before ObamaCare. They already enjoy the 70% subsidy. So I'm not sure why you say "they will have 70%..." In reality it's "They will continue to have 70%".
    My guess is that he already knew this, his intention was to deceive.


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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Many workers get their premiums partially covered by their employer. And btw, ObamaCare isn't the legislation that started paying parts of congress's premium. That was around before ObamaCare. They already enjoy the 70% subsidy. So I'm not sure why you say "they will have 70%..." In reality it's "They will continue to have 70%".
    Agreed. They will continue to enjoy a 70% subsidy. Do you think the same will be true for the rest of us when premiums go through the roof? The federal subsidies are definitely not continued at 70% for the average citizens in the same pay range as a congressional staffer.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    My guess is that he already knew this, his intention was to deceive.
    I was aware, but have no intention to deceive. You, however, conveniently left out that detail. Shall I assume your intention was to deceive?

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Agreed. They will continue to enjoy a 70% subsidy. Do you think the same will be true for the rest of us when premiums go through the roof? The federal subsidies are definitely not continued at 70% for the average citizens in the same pay range as a congressional staffer.
    Unfounded speculation. It's already been reported that states that played along with ObamaCare and set up state exhanges, which is simply a easy to navigate market for health insurance, that provides easy to compare plans from competing health insurance companies, that premiums are generally below what was expected and are more affordable that the CBO had even scored them to be.

    HHS: Premiums under ObamaCare lower than expected - The Hill's Healthwatch
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Now members of Congress will join the earliest initiates to the ACA.
    Heck yeah.

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    I've long argued that Congress can do whatever it wants with Healthcare. As long as they have to participate in it at the same level as everyone else.
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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    I was aware, but have no intention to deceive. You, however, conveniently left out that detail. Shall I assume your intention was to deceive?
    I am sorry, but you seemed to imply this was new with Obamacare, please accept my apology. I don't believe I left out anything that was pertinent to the story.


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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Unfounded speculation. It's already been reported that states that played along with ObamaCare and set up state exhanges, which is simply a easy to navigate market for health insurance, that provides easy to compare plans from competing health insurance companies, that premiums are generally below what was expected and are more affordable that the CBO had even scored them to be.

    HHS: Premiums under ObamaCare lower than expected - The Hill's Healthwatch
    It's not unfounded speculation. It's a question posed to you. If premiums don't increase dramatically, then the 70% won't matter and I'll admit you were correct. Will you do the same if/when they do? Or will you blame the insurance companies and move on?

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am sorry, but you seemed to imply this was new with Obamacare, please accept my apology. I don't believe I left out anything that was pertinent to the story.
    Fair enough. If premiums don't increase dramatically, it's not pertinent specifically to Obamacare. Even so, as a matter of policy, they have insulated themselves from the effects, as members of priveledged classes tend to do.

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