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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Will I be able to use my Death Panel powers on members of Congress?

    If yes, all this will have been worthwhile and I promise you citizens a spectacular bloodbath. If not, lets hope their presence in the system will encourage the bureaucracy to do a better job for all of us since you never know who you might be dealing with.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    It's not unfounded speculation. It's a question posed to you. If premiums don't increase dramatically, then the 70% won't matter and I'll admit you were correct. Will you do the same if/when they do? Or will you blame the insurance companies and move on?
    If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
    Aon Hewitt's study indicated that the law will boost yearly premiums artificially by 2-3% points, in addition to the normal growth(premiums+deductibles+out of pocket). They determined that by examining pools as individual, small group, and large group, the individual group would be the hardest hit.

    Although, the individual group represents the smallest total participation( 9% ), it would see the largest up-tick in membership, and thus the largest increase, as the law is focused on getting individuals onto the health exchanges. 2013 is projected to see a 6.7% increase in insurance costs, compared to a 4.9% in 2012, and a 8.9% increase in 2011.

    If employers find that providing health insurance is no longer cost effective, and more people are moved onto the exchanges, the overall insurance rate increases(premiums+deductibles+out of pocket) will quickly return to double-digit yearly growth.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Lots of opinion pieces peppered with surveys by partisan opponents of the plan.

    The only piece based facts is the endangerment of low-premium high-deductible plans because they don't meet the lowest threshold that is considered "health insurance".

    As for Ohio...I'm curious about that because most exchanges in big states have ended up seeing prices drop. I guess for some reason blue states are just better at implementing ACA.
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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Lots of opinion pieces peppered with surveys by partisan opponents of the plan.

    The only piece based facts is the endangerment of low-premium high-deductible plans because they don't meet the lowest threshold that is considered "health insurance".

    As for Ohio...I'm curious about that because most exchanges in big states have ended up seeing prices drop. I guess for some reason blue states are just better at implementing ACA.
    Or blue states had higher premiums to begin with and are simply sharing the burden of their mismanagement with the rest of us.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Or blue states had higher premiums to begin with and are simply sharing the burden of their mismanagement with the rest of us.
    Please explain why that would be.

    How are exchanges different than our current situation other than the fact that the prices for comparable plans are made plain to potential buyers?
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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Or blue states had higher premiums to begin with and are simply sharing the burden of their mismanagement with the rest of us.
    Feel free to let us know which mechanism of the bill you think is allowing them to do that.
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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If premiums increase more dramatically then they did before ObamaCare then I'll admit I'm wrong. All the evidence is pointing in the other direction though, as I've already demonstrated.
    On the other hand, there have been numerous studies indicating your information may not be accurate.

    The New York Times Tries -- And Fails -- To Protect Obamacare From Health Insurance 'Rate Shock' - Forbes

    Yesterday, fans of Obamacare were cheering. A front-page story in the New York Times announced that individuals shopping for health insurance in New York would see their premiums halved, based on figures released by the Andrew Cuomo administration.

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    Re: Members of Congress to get first taste of health care law

    Good job. You posted alot of "would or could" sources. Nothing with cold hard facts or numbers. Yes, I understand alot of people are trying to use scare tactics and saying that premiums are going to skyrocket. In reality, that has not happened and is not likely to happen. And in the instances where we can look and see what has happened to premiums, we see that they have either reduced or have increased slower than in the past. None of your sky is falling sources negate that fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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