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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That just sounds nuts to me that some civil servant gets to tell you what you can or can not name your child. I sympathize with the judges sentiment but it was totally not her call and it seems pretty arrogant of her to think she could just decree what his name would be.
    Dutch law says that civil servants must refuse inappropriate names (like swearwords, commercial names like coca-cola are mostly also seen as inappropriate, a name like Mercedes which is a brand but also a first name will be accepted), also it is not legal for someone who is called Johnson to give his child the first name Johnson, it is not legal to call your child Johnson Johnson.

    This is done to protect children from names like Messiah or for example Crack-Pipe.

    I always err on the side of caution to protect the child from ridicule and the judge did that, he protected the child from the parents stupidity to give that child such a name.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Also. Yeshua. Joshua. Yoshua. Etc. You can't know for sure.
    We can know for sure it wasn't Jesus for Hebrew speakers or anybody who knew him. So what are we arguing about? What Jesus was named in his time and by the people around him? We know it was a form of Yeshua, Joshua, Yoshua etc. Even Jesus himself wouldn't have answered to that name. Doesn't that tell you a little something about what his name was?
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We can know for sure it wasn't Jesus for Hebrew speakers or anybody who knew him. So what are we arguing about? What Jesus was named in his time and by the people around him? We know it was a form of Yeshua, Joshua, Yoshua etc. Even Jesus himself wouldn't have answered to that name. Doesn't that tell you a little something about what his name was?
    It doesn't matter what his name for hebrew speakers was. It matters what his name for latin speakers was and that one started with "I" ( i ). INRI -> IESVS

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It doesn't matter what his name for hebrew speakers was.
    Considering my statement was that his name wasn't Jesus. It was Yoshua, and Jesus was created for the purpose of differentiating him from the other Yeshuas, Yoshuas etc. in the OT/NT, then yes, yes it does.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Considering my statement was that his name wasn't Jesus. It was Yoshua, and Jesus was created for the purpose of differentiating him from the other Yeshuas, Yoshuas etc. in the OT/NT, then yes, yes it does.
    Well, his name according to the only source that counts was Iesvs. Since roman 'v' could be an 'u' then we have Iesus.
    It's exactly what I said before.

    The jews may have called him yoshua. the Romans called him Iesus. The greeks called him something similar to Iesus. As is spread out, people called him differently depending on the language filter. But in Europe, the name that got spread around wasn't the hebrew name, that didn't matter. It was the latin name of Jesus, Iesvs.

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Dutch law says that civil servants must refuse inappropriate names (like swearwords, commercial names like coca-cola are mostly also seen as inappropriate, a name like Mercedes which is a brand but also a first name will be accepted), also it is not legal for someone who is called Johnson to give his child the first name Johnson, it is not legal to call your child Johnson Johnson.

    This is done to protect children from names like Messiah or for example Crack-Pipe.

    I always err on the side of caution to protect the child from ridicule and the judge did that, he protected the child from the parents stupidity to give that child such a name.
    Mark the hour and date. I actually agree with Peter King. This is a dumb name. I'm not sure I agree with the government having a "list" of names they can refuse. I also think this isn't the most egregious case of people naming their kids dumb ****. However, I do think that such stupidity should be frowned upon. I made a post on this matter a few years ago. Parents having free reign on naming their kids has produced children that will be bullied and harassed for years. Regardless of how supportive a person is of parental rights - there are some things which kids should be sheltered from. Parental stupidity is one of those.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The jews may have called him yoshua It's not a matter of "May", it's a matter of 'they did'. the Romans called him IesusWhich wasn't his name. The greeks called him something similar to IesusWhich wasn't his name. As is spread out, people called him differently depending on the language filter. But in Europe, the name that got spread around wasn't the hebrew name, that didn't matter. It was the latin name of Jesus, Iesvs.Which is not the name he would have answered to or even written down on any official document he'd have to sign at the time
    Again, this isn't that big of an issue. "Jesus" is a relatively modern invention. The original hebrew writings do not differentiate between the Yoshua from the NT and the other Yoshua's from the OT. This was done WAY later. In any case, the point I was trying to make was simple. Calling your kids a name because it makes allusion to another is like painting an apple and eating the paper because of what it depicts and hoping it tastes the same. The math doesn't add up. It's about as stupid as it gets.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Again, this isn't that big of an issue. "Jesus" is a relatively modern invention. The original hebrew writings do not differentiate between the Yoshua from the NT and the other Yoshua's from the OT. This was done WAY later. In any case, the point I was trying to make was simple. Calling your kids a name because it makes allusion to another is like painting an apple and eating the paper because of what it depicts and hoping it tastes the same. The math doesn't add up. It's about as stupid as it gets.
    Oh boy. You just can't grasp it. I get what you are saying, but the problem is, you're looking it all wrong.

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Oh boy. You just can't grasp it. I get what you are saying, but the problem is, you're looking it all wrong.
    Why are we looking at it wrong, the judge had the chance to change the name to protect the child and he did. For all I care they call it James Messiah Johnson. That would allow the child to leave out the Messiah part if he introduces himself.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Why are we looking at it wrong, the judge had the chance to change the name to protect the child and he did. For all I care they call it James Messiah Johnson. That would allow the child to leave out the Messiah part if he introduces himself.
    This is my comment in regards to the OP these other comments were part of another conversation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    While I do agree that the judge had no business changing the boys' name, what kind of parents in their right mind would name their kid: Messiah. Honestly, this is one of those situations when the only thing I care to say is: I feel sorry for the kid. he had a ****ty start in life and because his parents' are retarded, he won't have it easy later on either.

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