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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Interesting...
    Matter of Nawadiuko (2012 NY Slip Op 51931(U))

    A New York court banned a family from naming their child Christisking. We didnt hear about that story at all.

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Interesting...
    Matter of Nawadiuko (2012 NY Slip Op 51931(U))

    A New York court banned a family from naming their child Christisking. We didnt hear about that story at all.
    Actually, they stopped the family from renaming their son Jeremy to "JesusIsLord" (as did at least 2 other states) and from allowing the entire family from taking the last name "ChristIsKing". And those are slightly different than this situation. Plus, the family apparently was successful in changing the son Jeremy's name to "JesusIsLord" in the state of Virginia (although even the judge said that the son should wait and try to do this when he is an adult rather than doing it as a minor) (plus, apparently the son is a bit confused even on where exactly the name change was legalized).

    And I would say that this part of the reasoning for not allowing such name changes is the best reason for why it is different.

    To permit this name change would be placing unwitting members of the public including public servants in the position of having to proclaim petitioners' religious beliefs which may or may not be in agreement with that person's own equally strongly held but different beliefs.
    Now, while I can see how a name like Messiah could similarly fit into this reasoning, it is also hard to justify when there are other names out there, including the very real possibility of "Jesus Christ" as someone's actual name since Jesus is a common first name and Christ is actually a surname, that could be like Messiah, including thousands of children that already have the name Messiah with most having no religious connection to their name. But there is no mistaking or avoiding a religious connection to "ChristIsKing" or "JesusIsLord", particularly when they want to have the inside words capitalized.
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    Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, they stopped the family from renaming their son Jeremy to "JesusIsLord" (as did at least 2 other states) and from allowing the entire family from taking the last name "ChristIsKing". And those are slightly different than this situation. Plus, the family apparently was successful in changing the son Jeremy's name to "JesusIsLord" in the state of Virginia (although even the judge said that the son should wait and try to do this when he is an adult rather than doing it as a minor) (plus, apparently the son is a bit confused even on where exactly the name change was legalized).

    And I would say that this part of the reasoning for not allowing such name changes is the best reason for why it is different.



    Now, while I can see how a name like Messiah could similarly fit into this reasoning, it is also hard to justify when there are other names out there, including the very real possibility of "Jesus Christ" as someone's actual name since Jesus is a common first name and Christ is actually a surname, that could be like Messiah, including thousands of children that already have the name Messiah with most having no religious connection to their name. But there is no mistaking or avoiding a religious connection to "ChristIsKing" or "JesusIsLord", particularly when they want to have the inside words capitalized.
    As it is the parents choice and decision, what right does the court have to intervene? Seems a bit...conveeeenient...that which we approve or disapprove.

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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    As it is the parents choice and decision, what right does the court have to intervene? Seems a bit...conveeeenient...that which we approve or disapprove.
    Because the parents already chose a name for their child. They wanted to change it to something easily viewed as offensive for others to say. Just as a parent could not change their child's name to "WhitePeopleDeserveToDie". It would be their choice but still would be offensive for others to say and violate their rights in saying it. Reasonable person viewpoint. Messiah is not offensive for most others (reasonable standpoint) to say, those other names would be. The article did a good job of showing a couple of very legitimate reasons/ways it could be offensive to others for a person to have either "JesusIsLord" or "ChristIsKing" as their name. A teacher isn't allowed to make such a declaration in class on her own, why should it be okay for a parent to use their child to force others to make that declaration? And there is no mistaken this for anything other than a religious statement, much unlike a name like Messiah which is easily a legitimate name.
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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because the parents already chose a name for their child. They wanted to change it to something easily viewed as offensive for others to say. Just as a parent could not change their child's name to "WhitePeopleDeserveToDie". It would be their choice but still would be offensive for others to say and violate their rights in saying it. Reasonable person viewpoint. Messiah is not offensive for most others (reasonable standpoint) to say, those other names would be. The article did a good job of showing a couple of very legitimate reasons/ways it could be offensive to others for a person to have either "JesusIsLord" or "ChristIsKing" as their name. A teacher isn't allowed to make such a declaration in class on her own, why should it be okay for a parent to use their child to force others to make that declaration? And there is no mistaken this for anything other than a religious statement, much unlike a name like Messiah which is easily a legitimate name.
    Parents have the right to only make a mistake once with their child? ANd so what if society is uncomfortable or doesnt like it? Thats the same ruling and justification given re the Messiah name. Its simply ironic and telling that people would decry the judge for involvement in one case but support it in the other.

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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Parents have the right to only make a mistake once with their child? ANd so what if society is uncomfortable or doesnt like it? Thats the same ruling and justification given re the Messiah name. Its simply ironic and telling that people would decry the judge for involvement in one case but support it in the other.
    It isn't the same though. The judge ruled that Messiah as a name would cause people to harm or be upset with the child with that name. The ruling that was made in the other case said that others should not be forced to make a declaration with a name given purposely to make that declaration without any mistake as to the declaration being made. There is no innocent intention when it comes to "JesusIsLord" as a name or "ChristIsKing" as a last name. It isn't simply "a mistake" but rather an effort to force your religion onto others.
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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It isn't the same though. The judge ruled that Messiah as a name would cause people to harm or be upset with the child with that name. The ruling that was made in the other case said that others should not be forced to make a declaration with a name given purposely to make that declaration without any mistake as to the declaration being made. There is no innocent intention when it comes to "JesusIsLord" as a name or "ChristIsKing" as a last name. It isn't simply "a mistake" but rather an effort to force your religion onto others.
    Its laughable that anyone believes a 'name' is forcing ones religion on them. Its also pretty disturbing how readily we embrace judicial activism when it suits or beliefs.

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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its laughable that anyone believes a 'name' is forcing ones religion on them. Its also pretty disturbing how readily we embrace judicial activism when it suits or beliefs.
    It is not judicial activism when someone actually is requesting to do something rather than it being brought up purely by the judge. And they are different circumstances. Just as someone could not name their child "WhitesAreSuperior" or "BlacksShouldRuleTheWorld" or change their last name to "Bitch****er" because those things would be offensive and easily seen as offensive from a reasonable person viewpoint.
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    Re: Tenn. judge changes infant's name from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is not judicial activism when someone actually is requesting to do something rather than it being brought up purely by the judge. And they are different circumstances. Just as someone could not name their child "WhitesAreSuperior" or "BlacksShouldRuleTheWorld" or change their last name to "Bitch****er" because those things would be offensive and easily seen as offensive from a reasonable person viewpoint.
    Pardon my direct question...but where did you get the notion you had the right to NOT be offended by someone elses decision? And maybe a better question...what kind of a person is going to walk around being 'offended' over someones name, however stupid it may be? And finally...do you REALLY believe its a judges place to make that kind of a judgement call?

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