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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    When a Judge shows this kind of idiocy, the victim should be able to ask for an immediate removal of the Judge from office.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    If this story is true....this judge should be disbarred and benched. What an idiot!
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    You have a very strange idea of what the role of government is.
    In the Netherlands people have to register their name at the local authority/city administration and the civil servant who is in charge of that registration can refuse to accept that name and the parent who does not agree with the decision of the civil servant can appeal that decision in front of the judge who can agree with either the city or the parents.

    A lot of times the name will be allowed but for example a Dutch motivational speaker who is famous for his loud screaming of TSJAKKA wanted to call his daughter Tsjakkalotte and that was refused by the judge. Also the name Marieke Methadon was refused. Insulting combinations are sometimes also refused. A combination that would spell N.A.Z.I. can be refused. For example, if you call your child Nicholas Anthony Zacharias Isaac Johnson, spelled in short N.A.Z.I. Johnson than that would be refused by the civil servant and the judge.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Maybe, but if he was Latino his name might be 'Jesus'. Do we want a judge to say it can't be?
    If you couldn't tell, I was partly joking. (The name is still horrible though)

    The judge obviously went too far.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Maybe, but if he was Latino his name might be 'Jesus'. Do we want a judge to say it can't be?
    ... You do know that Jesus' name wasn't "Jesus" right? It was actually *drum roll please* Yeshua. The name "Jesus" is actually a pretty recent invention.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    While I do agree that the judge had no business changing the boys' name, what kind of parents in their right mind would name their kid: Messiah. Honestly, this is one of those situations when the only thing I care to say is: I feel sorry for the kid. he had a ****ty start in life and because his parents' are retarded, he won't have it easy later on either.

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... You do know that Jesus' name wasn't "Jesus" right? It was actually *drum roll please* Yeshua. The name "Jesus" is actually a pretty recent invention.
    No... no it isn't. It doesn't matter if you call it Yeshua or Jesus as long as you mean the same guy. It's like the name Alexander.

    Alexander -> English/French/German/a lot of other languages
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No... no it isn't.
    Yes, yes it is:

    Yeshua (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The name ישוע occurs in the Hebrew of the Old Testament at verses Ezra 2:2, 2:6, 2:36, 2:40, 3:2, 3:8, 3:9, 3:10, 3:18, 4:3, 8:33; Nehemiah 3:19, 7:7, 7:11, 7:39, 7:43, 8:7, 8:17, 9:4, 9:5, 11:26, 12:1, 12:7, 12:8, 12:10, 12:24, 12:26; 1 Chronicles 24:11; and 2 Chronicles 31:15, and also in Aramaic at Ezra 5:2. In Nehemiah 8:17 this name refers to Joshua son of Nun, the successor of Moses, as leader of the Israelites. Note that in earlier English (where adaptations of names of Biblical figures were generally based on the Latin Vulgate forms), [SIZE=4] Yeshua was generally transcribed identically to "Jesus" in English. It was only when the Protestant Bible translators of ca. 1600 went back to the original languages that a distinction between Jesus and Jeshua appeared in English.
    Modern English "Jesus" /ˈdʒiːzəs/ derives from Early Middle English Iesu (attested from the 12th century). The name participated in the Great Vowel Shift in late Middle English (15th century). The letter J was first distinguished from 'I' by the Frenchman Pierre Ramus in the 16th century, but did not become common in Modern English until the 17th century, so that early 17th century works such as the first edition of the King James Version of the Bible (1611) continued to print the name with an I.[22]
    Seriously, this isn't something I made up. "Jesus" as a name is only about 400-500 years old and was created to differentiate "Jesus" from other Yeshuas in the bible.
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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    In the Netherlands people have to register their name at the local authority/city administration and the civil servant who is in charge of that registration can refuse to accept that name and the parent who does not agree with the decision of the civil servant can appeal that decision in front of the judge who can agree with either the city or the parents.

    A lot of times the name will be allowed but for example a Dutch motivational speaker who is famous for his loud screaming of TSJAKKA wanted to call his daughter Tsjakkalotte and that was refused by the judge. Also the name Marieke Methadon was refused. Insulting combinations are sometimes also refused. A combination that would spell N.A.Z.I. can be refused. For example, if you call your child Nicholas Anthony Zacharias Isaac Johnson, spelled in short N.A.Z.I. Johnson than that would be refused by the civil servant and the judge.
    That just sounds nuts to me that some civil servant gets to tell you what you can or can not name your child. I sympathize with the judges sentiment but it was totally not her call and it seems pretty arrogant of her to think she could just decree what his name would be.

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    Re: Tennessee Judge orders baby's name be changed from 'Messiah'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, yes it is:

    Yeshua (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Seriously, this isn't something I made up.
    No, but I mean, it doesn't matter. I know you're not making it up but it's not quite accurate.

    Look. For a long time the only language permitted for sermons in church was Latin because Latin is the language of God. Or so it was said. But you didn't have the printing press back then and slowly but surely, over time, the name got changed because of the culture and language that existed. But it was still just latin.

    Now there are 2 scenarios, Western European Catholicism and the Eastern European Orthodox churches. In Orthodoxy, you have 1 pope in each country as it were. There is no central power for all orthodoxy, it's country-dependent. And so it happened that sooner or later, the language of sermons was dropped from just latin, to also include the national language. The restriction was loosened as it were. So you didn't have Yeshua or whatever, you had the same name but translated as properly as possible from Latin to suit the national character. Same thing happened in Catholicism too, but only after pesky people like Martin Luther showed up.
    You are talking strictly about the English variation due to Protestantism and say it was a top-down change. It was actually a adaptation to what people were saying all along.

    Also. Yeshua. Joshua. Yoshua. Etc. You can't know for sure. There were no ID cards back. All we have is various recordings of his name. and it doesn't matter. It's Jesus for English speakers... Jesus with the funny ` on the e for French, Jesus with the ` on u for Spanish and etc.

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