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Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

Unitedwestand13 said:
Which is the reason why we could not win in Vietnam. We could not attack certain targets in north veitnam because of the possibility of china retaliating against us.
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Either you've got a mental block or you're to young remember our forces in Cambodia and Laos. Now run that by us again. Oh I forgot you read only Progressive revised history.
 
Wehrwolfen said:
Either you've got a mental block or you're to young remember our forces in Cambodia and Laos. Now run that by us again. Oh I forgot you read only Progressive revised history.
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I am saying that we could not win the veitnam war in terms recognizable to us as a victory. We could not win by bombing the north Vietnamese into submission. We could not attack certain targets in north veitnam, such as their airfields and ports, because there were Russian and Chinese supporting the the north Vietnamese and killing them could have escalated the war in veitnam into a global war.

As for the Viet cong, we always have a problem fighting asemetrical warfare. The veit cong did not have to worry about concepts such as borders and the differance between non-combatants and combatatants. We attacked Laos and Cambodia, countries that were not even part of veitnam war to begin with, because we were frustrated that the ho chi min trail did not need to respect boundrys of sovregin nations.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I dont care what Russia or China do with oil from the ME. Really I dont.
Are we going to defend, protect and buy up every resource to keep it out of the hands of the "enemy"?
If that is the case, screw it. Lets just declare war on them and get it on.
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Ahhh yes we are, we are going to spend as many taxpayer dollars and grant as many tax breaks to USofA big oil as it takes to keep oil out of the hands of 'our' enemies.

Who would you declare war on? China and Russia or the Middle Eastern countries? China and Russia are pure suicide and in case you didn't pay much attention to the debacle Iraq was, we can't afford seizing one oil rich nation much less the entire region. And as Iraq further rubbed our noses in it, taking the ground is rather easy, holding it and making any use of it is a whole 'nother cat.

50 years of bribing our way to dominate the oilfields of the Middle East would be chump change to trying to conquer it by military force.

The quickest way to third world status will be to try and take by military force the entire Middle East.

Do you really hate your country and those who would die to 'get it on' THAT much????
 
notquiteright said:
Ahhh yes we are, we are going to spend as many taxpayer dollars and grant as many tax breaks to USofA big oil as it takes to keep oil out of the hands of 'our' enemies.
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Of course we could also start exploiting our own oil and gas resources more aggressively (which would incidentally put a lot of our own citizens back to work) if only the Greenies didn't have a lock on our current administration.
 
Diogenes said:
Of course we could also start exploiting our own oil and gas resources more aggressively (which would incidentally put a lot of our own citizens back to work) if only the Greenies didn't have a lock on our current administration.
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Drill baby drill is as worn out as trickle down and domino effect... need new material.

It wouldn't put a lot of citizens back to work as the work is rather specialized in the exploration game. Working an oil rig isn't for many citizens. and many of the new guys will be on workman's comp within a year, dangerous and you have to be young, or desperate- or a combination of the two. I've known a few IT guys who took their retrain into programming, course they tap along without the full 10... :shock:


The Cons had several administration's worth of drillers but you seem to forget that part and just blame this administration... :roll:
 
CRUE CAB said:
Have to remember, a totally different peoples. Japan, knew it was beaten. Germany after the Nazis were removed and tried. Became an ally based on the fact that millions of Germans lived in the US already, as well as Italians.
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And look how long it took.
 
notquiteright said:
Drill baby drill is as worn out as trickle down and domino effect... need new material.

It wouldn't put a lot of citizens back to work as the work is rather specialized in the exploration game. Working an oil rig isn't for many citizens. and many of the new guys will be on workman's comp within a year, dangerous and you have to be young, or desperate- or a combination of the two. I've known a few IT guys who took their retrain into programming, course they tap along without the full 10... :shock:


The Cons had several administration's worth of drillers but you seem to forget that part and just blame this administration... :roll:
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This administration is the one that pretends the Bakken field doesn't exist, and this administration opposes Keystone XL. You need to update your material.
 
Ikari said:
That is impossible to do with a foreign, occupying force and a divided people. We could not bring them democracy or stability, that should have been recognized beforehand. You can't force freedom.
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You can force stability.
 
notquiteright said:
Ahhh yes we are, we are going to spend as many taxpayer dollars and grant as many tax breaks to USofA big oil as it takes to keep oil out of the hands of 'our' enemies.

Who would you declare war on? China and Russia or the Middle Eastern countries? China and Russia are pure suicide and in case you didn't pay much attention to the debacle Iraq was, we can't afford seizing one oil rich nation much less the entire region. And as Iraq further rubbed our noses in it, taking the ground is rather easy, holding it and making any use of it is a whole 'nother cat.

50 years of bribing our way to dominate the oilfields of the Middle East would be chump change to trying to conquer it by military force.

The quickest way to third world status will be to try and take by military force the entire Middle East.

Do you really hate your country and those who would die to 'get it on' THAT much????
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If we are going to war with Iraq for the evils of Saddam, then one evil doer is as good as any.
 
notquiteright said:
Ahhh yes we are, we are going to spend as many taxpayer dollars and grant as many tax breaks to USofA big oil as it takes to keep oil out of the hands of 'our' enemies.

Who would you declare war on? China and Russia or the Middle Eastern countries? China and Russia are pure suicide and in case you didn't pay much attention to the debacle Iraq was, we can't afford seizing one oil rich nation much less the entire region. And as Iraq further rubbed our noses in it, taking the ground is rather easy, holding it and making any use of it is a whole 'nother cat.

50 years of bribing our way to dominate the oilfields of the Middle East would be chump change to trying to conquer it by military force.

The quickest way to third world status will be to try and take by military force the entire Middle East.

Do you really hate your country and those who would die to 'get it on' THAT much????
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I said if thats the case, I didnt say I agree with it.
But what do we do? Keep pouring trillions into other nations? To what end? IT will be our ruin no matter what.
 
Diogenes said:
This administration is the one that pretends the Bakken field doesn't exist, and this administration opposes Keystone XL. You need to update your material.
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The Bakken field is being drilled faster than the oil can be shipped out, North dakota is undergoing a boom- which isn't that big a deal it is North Dakota afterall, two Aldi stores going in would tic the economic scale upward- who is pretending what????

Oh yes, sending a toxic sludge through the pipeline across the heartland of OUR nation when Canada has the refinery cap to deal with that tar all on it's own. Optimistic estimates claim around 4% of the current Gulf refinery cap will be met by the tar sludge- if all goes well.

Yeah THAT will replace Middle East oil... :roll:

You need to get some factual material...
 
Dooble said:
Staying there wasn't a very good idea, either. We should've just declared it a US Territory.
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We should have told the college students to go **** themselves, seized control of their oil, and created wealth in the region.

We could have paid our own bills and still give the country a financial boost with oil money.
 
CRUE CAB said:
If we are going to war with Iraq for the evils of Saddam, then one evil doer is as good as any.
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I was 125% against a war in Iraq!But like you said, when the world is full of E-Vile doers what does one tinpot dictator matter one way or another.

(hint- when he is anywhere near Big Oil's interest and won't play ball)
 
CRUE CAB said:
Was or wasnt, it wasnt our problem. And was it worth the billions and lives cost?
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Of course it was our problem.

The instability in the region was and still is directly spilling over into the United States.

It is a problem that will have to be dealt with at some point and Iraq should have been a good starting point. It could have certainly gone better from a military standpoint but the biggest failing there was in not seizing the oil. The money from that would have gone a long way to building a stable society and paying down our own costs. Iraq has some of the largest verified oil reserves in the world. We could have flooded the area with money at no cost to us and helped them build a stable country.

We listened to the college students though.
 
CRUE CAB said:
We kicked them out of Kuwait and the Iran Iraq war was over.
And at this rate, how long before the "large scale massacres" pale in comparison.
And you didnt answer my question. Was it worth it?
Our investment in lives and money have helped almost break OUR nation.
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Yes, the US appears to be breaking up but it was not the lives lost or the money spent that did it; it was the American people turning on themselves. The corrupt media and politicians, who voted for a war before they voted against it, or some such malarkey, turned against the President and their own country. The Left cannot restrain itself in their anti American attitudes, even when their country is at war.

American leaders only need clear their throats when mentioning a belligerent nation and the robotic Left will immediately proclaim "It's another Vietnam" or "It's all about oil". (It was 'all about oil' in Vietnam too ,btw).

When soldiers are abandoned in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, losing their lives, limbs, friends, for nothing, would anyone but the Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan types (and the US military was forced to call the local 911 for help when he began firing) or the punk Bradley Manning.

But although the US may be trying to escape their international military defeats, the police in America have been ably demonstrating their 'take no prisoners' approach.

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But the brokest nation in world history still is able to borrow or print enough money to have highly skilled protectors and private transport for 'the First Dog'.


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CRUE CAB said:
Show me the difference. We bailed on Iraq, we bailed on Viet Nam.
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Who is "we"? The 'Right"? The Left" The Republicans? The Democrats?
We could have taken down every air plane Iraq had with air power. Not just warn them about the no fly zone.
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But instead the American people turned on themselves, just as they have done since the late 60's.

How many of your family is buried at Arlington over a worthless war?
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According to many Americans every war in which they have been involved, including the Cold War, has been worthless. They'll probably be smarter within the next 20 or so years, which is too late for a wake-up call. The Left in America has the same attitudes toward their country as their enemies do.
 
Ikari said:
That is impossible to do with a foreign, occupying force and a divided people. We could not bring them democracy or stability, that should have been recognized beforehand. You can't force freedom.
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Actually you can, but it must be maintained and nurtured.
 
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