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TiredOfLife said:
None of them are a great fit but Islam has no church and state, only God and that you can't vote on.
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yes only god

but islamists prefer to follow perverted sects and their sheiks rather than to obey the Kuran unlike muslims
 
StringBean said:
Quoting =/= legal enforcement
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The churches have their own internal laws as well, I'm just pointing out a primary source that Christians tend towards, when it serves them. Religious courts and proceedings are common in many faiths. Islam's are simply more advanced because of the lack of a church/state divide.
 
Medusa said:
yes only god

but islamists prefer to follow perverted sects and their sheiks rather than to obey the Kuran unlike muslims
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Sure, but Islam is a religion of warriors who submit their all to God, and are generally peaceful when the times are peaceful and they are following the five pillars. At the moment, the times are not so peaceful.
 
TiredOfLife said:
Sure, but Islam is a religion of warriors who submit their all to God, and are generally peaceful when the times are peaceful and they are following the five pillars. At the moment, the times are not so peaceful.
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the crusaders ignored jesus's peaceful teachings and kept commiting brutal crimes in the past

and keep in mind there were always different conditions when these prophets were commissioned to spread the god's words .
 
Medusa said:
democracy is not what teh west wants to see in ME

because you cant control anyone who has democratic tendencies
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Why would the USA want to control democracies? Do you feel they control western Europe, Australia, etc. If so they are being rather discrete about it. In fact the US encourages democracy.
 
Grant said:
Why would the USA want to control democracies? Do you feel they control western Europe, Australia, etc. If so they are being rather discrete about it. In fact the US encourages democracy.
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Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
democracy is not what teh west wants to see in ME

because you cant control anyone who has democratic tendencies

l said" the west" ,not USa

but l think why you thought l was referring to USA just results from your subconscious :confused:

and you cant encourage democracy by arming radicals
 
Medusa said:
the crusaders ignored jesus's peaceful teachings and kept commiting brutal crimes in the past

and keep in mind there were always different conditions when these prophets were commissioned to spread the god's words .
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Perhaps you don't know as much about the Crusades as you think you do, Medusa, if you were taught in an Islamic environment. Maybe you should look at more scholarly non-Islamic sources.
 
Dooble said:
What I'm saying is, simply occupying the place wasn't a good idea.
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That was the problem, we didn't have the 400,000 boots on the ground to occupy Iraq after the mission of regime change was accomplished.

But in Rumsfeld own words, "You go to war with the military you have." That military was Clinton's military after his over downsizing of the military.

G.W. Bush was warned.
 
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Grant said:
Perhaps you don't know as much about the Crusades as you think you do, Medusa, if you were taught in an Islamic environment. Maybe you should look at more scholarly non-Islamic sources.
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islamic environment

what is that ?

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interesting..........
 
Medusa said:
Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
democracy is not what teh west wants to see in ME

because you cant control anyone who has democratic tendencies

l said" the west" ,not USa
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Indeed you did. My error. Did you have a particular democracy in mind then? Or is just "the west" in general?
but l think why you thought l was referring to USA just results from your subconscious :confused:
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Yes, probably.

and you cant encourage democracy by arming radicals
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Quite right. But it's sometimes difficult to tell which Muslim is a radical and which isn't. Can you tell the difference just by looking at them?
 
Grant said:
Indeed you did. My error. Did you have a particular democracy in mind then? Or is just "the west" in general?


thw world hasnt met any real democracy yet .if you find it you may tell me what it looks like because you wont accept my own definition

Yes, probably.



Quite right. But it's sometimes difficult to tell which Muslim is a radical and which isn't. Can you tell the difference just by looking at them?
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you have to look at them ?

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APACHERAT said:
That was the problem, we didn't have the 400,000 boots on the ground to occupy Iraq after the mission of regime change was accomplished.

But in Rumsfeld own words, "You go to war with the military you have." That military was Clinton's military after his over downsizing of the military.

G.W. Bushed was warned.
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There were thousands of US troops still stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII and thus no more serious wars. Something similar would have been necessary in the ME. A lot of good people are gone because we have forgotten how to win.
 
Grant said:
Why do you say that? They certainly have schools and universities in most Islamic countries, don't they?
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turkey is not islamic ,only people are muslim

and you dont need to change the topic

many atheists and christians agree with me

l dont think they were taught in madrassas
 
Medusa said:
you have to look at them ?

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You said "you know the west should stop supporting these radicals".

My question was, How can you tell a radical Muslim from a non radical Muslim? Do you know?
 
Medusa said:
turkey is not islamic ,only people are muslim

and you dont need to change the topic

many atheists and christians agree with me

l dont think they were taught in madrassas
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Does Turkey have Islamic schools?

The topic is Muslims bombing other Muslims, i know, but we must also look at the 'root causes'.
 
Grant said:
You said "you know the west should stop supporting these radicals".

My question was, How can you tell a radical Muslim from a non radical Muslim? Do you know?
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they are not muslim ,they are islamist

teh west knows how to seperate them from each other
 
Grant said:
There were thousands of US troops still stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII and thus no more serious wars. Something similar would have been necessary in the ME. A lot of good people are gone because we have forgotten how to win.
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The occupation army of Germany after WW ll was in the millions. In the beginning there were over 1.5 million GI's as part of the occupation army in Germany and that didn't include the British.

It takes more soldiers to occupy a country than it does to defeat that country's military.
 
Grant said:
Does Turkey have Islamic schools?

The topic is Muslims bombing other Muslims, i know, but we must also look at the 'root causes'.
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yes but it doesnt mean turkey is islamic

many christians agree with me on teh brutality of crusaders

so you dont need to mention my country to justify your claim
 
Medusa said:
they are not muslim ,they are islamist
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Islamists would probably argue that they are Muslims and I'd have to agree with thewm. Being 'bad' Muslims doesn;t make them any less Islamic. In fact, according to polls, many Muslims agree with their antics..
teh west knows how to seperate them from each other
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Apparently not. The West is still being accused of killing 'innocent' Muslims. If Muslims can't tell the radicals apart from regular Muslims I don't know how non-Muslims can.
 
Medusa said:
yes but it doesnt mean turkey is islamic
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Right, though no one has said that.
many christians agree with me on teh brutality of crusaders
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Perhaps, but that they agree with you doesn't make them right. The truth is not based on according to which faith someone follows. It stands on its own.

so you dont need to mention my country to justify your claim
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I wasn't the first to mention Turkey, you were. My interest lies in the topic at hand and how we might contain the Islamists.
 
Grant said:
Islamists would probably argue that they are Muslims and I'd have to agree with thewm. Being 'bad' Muslims doesn;t make them any less Islamic. In fact, according to polls, many Muslims agree with their antics..


Apparently not. The West is still being accused of killing 'innocent' Muslims. If Muslims can't tell the radicals apart from regular Muslims I don't know how non-Muslims can.
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We already know, because you've said it, you want to stop all muslims from being able to immigrate to Canada...

Your bigotry and vitriol is just disgusting Grant.
 
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