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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So morale of the story...don't get into wars unless you absolutely need to.
    Don't go into wars unless you intend to win. But Americans will never win another war in our lifetimes, at least not one that lasts over a week.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All of which is different depending on those differences. We haven't learned that. Too many think they can do the same things under different circumstances.
    Really? Who is this "they"?

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Don't go into wars unless you intend to win. But Americans will never win another war in our lifetimes, at least not one that lasts over a week.
    They kind of go hand and hand. When large swaths of the population are like "why the **** are we here again?" they probably aren't willing to spend trillions and lose thousands of lives in order stay until the end.
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They kind of go hand and hand. When large swaths of the population are like "why the **** are we here again?" they probably aren't willing to spend trillions and lose thousands of lives in order stay until the end.
    They may go to war but will not want anyone to get hurt when they do.

    We can see in this thread, which began with terrorist bombings in Iraq, how quickly it evolved into anti-American propaganda. How can any country win when their citizenry is so divided that the enemy doesn't even need propaganda? The American people will do it to themselves, and the Islamists know it.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They may go to war but will not want anyone to get hurt when they do.

    We can see in this thread, which began with terrorist bombings in Iraq, how quickly it evolved into anti-American propaganda. How can any country win when their citizenry is so divided that the enemy doesn't even need propaganda? The American people will do it to themselves, and the Islamists know it.
    We stayed in Afghanistan until Osama and his main guys have been killed. I think the message is pretty clear...if you plan an attack against the US you will be droned/killed by SEALs but the US will actually invade countries to kill your ass.

    Islamist didn't control Iraq. Islamist weren't in Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not sure what they learned about Iraq other than sting the US hard enough and they'll bankrupt themselves chasing every boogeyman in the world.
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really? Who is this "they"?
    Those sending us to stupid wars like VN and Iraq. It's a rather long list of people, but so the plural pronoun is sufficient.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why was the US involved in WWI? What was the goal? Do you know without looking it up?

    If people don't know why the Coalition was involved in Iraq then that's the fault of the individual. We must understand that there will be anti war propaganda from every quarter but all the propaganda was against the Coalition, with claims it was "all about oil", etc. Many, particularly on the left, were willing to side with a know despot and merciless dictator rather than their own country. And thing is is, they didn't even need propaganda from the terrorist camp.. The American and British people, again with a concentration from the left, did it against themselves.



    There were many reasons but that was not the primary reason. You can look it up for yourself. Without doing your own research you'll easily become the victim of anti American propaganda.



    When Americans were less divided they supported their presidents in time of war, Republican and Democrat alike. But that all changed with Vietnam (D) and the left turned on their leaders and the military. Nothing has changed since then.
    Actually the "Do you want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" was the primary reason. The whole "Saddam is a terrible despot/violated U.N. Declarations" is just revisionist history. WMD's was the primary reason being pushed by the Bush administration for going to war in IRAQ, and the apologists are now trying to backtrack. Despot or no despot, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Of course the American people will become divided about Iraq. The reasons we went there were nebulous and ultimately false in many instances.

    You'll notice that that American people were completely united in going into Afganistan because the reason we went there were clear and decisive. Your attempt to blame liberals for not supporting the president in Iraq is noted. Supporting the president does not mean accepting everything the government tells you. If the goal was really to get rid of despot brutalizing their people then there are several other nations that should have been higher on the list for invasion than Iraq.
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They may go to war but will not want anyone to get hurt when they do.

    We can see in this thread, which began with terrorist bombings in Iraq, how quickly it evolved into anti-American propaganda. How can any country win when their citizenry is so divided that the enemy doesn't even need propaganda? The American people will do it to themselves, and the Islamists know it.
    Questioning why we were in Iraq in the first place is not "anti-American propoganda. If the Iraq war was a war worth fighting then there wouldn't be muddled messaging and a divided populace.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Questioning why we were in Iraq in the first place is not "anti-American propoganda. If the Iraq war was a war worth fighting then there wouldn't be muddled messaging and a divided populace.
    Like in US politics?
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Bitch about Iraq all you want...there are still less deaths in Iraq than in the city of Chicago in any given year.

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