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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then this might be a good time to demonstrate your knowledge of the subject.
    I did. I know enough that they don't compare. Germany and Japan were largely unified countries who fought as a country. Iraq d didn't bomb us or declare war on us. We invaded, fought various groups in an un unified country. They are divided, and largely have been. So, there is no valid comparison.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I did. I know enough that they don't compare. Germany and Japan were largely unified countries who fought as a country. Iraq d didn't bomb us or declare war on us. We invaded, fought various groups in an un unified country. They are divided, and largely have been. So, there is no valid comparison.
    And of course they all used different languages.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And of course they all used different languages.
    The point is, it's not a valid comparison. The history, the events, the possibilities are very different.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's when people went to war and they were serious about winning. If WWI or WWII was fought now would the people support them the way they did then? Or would they demand withdrawal when the first body bags arrived home?

    The media and Hollywood also supported the American President and the troops. I feel safe in saying that they would be making the claim that "Not all Germans are Nazis" and "Not all Japanese are Imperialists".

    Now they are just as likely to support Communism and Islamism as Democracy and human frights and freedoms.
    True during WW2 and WW1 we fought to win those wars and there was no doubt about why we were fighting those wars. That's a stark contrast to what happened with Iraq. Where the primary reason to go was for non-existent WMD's. Woodrow Wilson (D) led to crush his enemies. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) fully intended to crush his opposition. That's that's what happens when Democrats start wars. Democrats are slow to go to war and fight to win. Republicans are saber rattlers and then cut n' run before the job is done. Bush started the Iraq war for nebulous reasons and then sign'ed the cut n' run treaty of surrender. And now you've got Republicans trying to saber rattle America into another war with Syria and Iran.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    True during WW2 and WW1 we fought to win those wars and there was no doubt about why we were fighting those wars. That's a stark contrast to what happened with Iraq. Where the primary reason to go was for non-existent WMD's. Woodrow Wilson (D) led to crush his enemies. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) fully intended to crush his opposition. That's that's what happens when Democrats start wars. Democrats are slow to go to war and fight to win. Republicans are saber rattlers and then cut n' run before the job is done. Bush started the Iraq war for nebulous reasons and then sign'ed the cut n' run treaty of surrender. And now you've got Republicans trying to saber rattle America into another war with Syria and Iran.
    Your description of WWI and WWII is accurate, along with your characterizations of Wilson and Roosevelt. However those Dems were followed by Truman, who botched Korea where we had to be rescued by Eisenhower (R), and by LBJ who botched Vietnam where we had to be rescued by Nixon. Then came Jimmy Carter who was so inept and damaging to the US image that it took Reagan to get the world to take the US seriously again.

    Bush41 participated in humanitarian relief efforts in Somalia, but resisted efforts to get involved in nation-building and was criticized for it. Clinton succumbed to the nation-building pitch, and gave us Black Hawk Down. Clinton followed up by responding to terrorist attacks with mostly useless missile strikes against aspirin factories and abandoned tent camps and generally presented the US as weak and indecisive, thereby setting us on The Path to 9/11.

    Over the last 60 years it is the Democrats who have rushed war while demonstrating again and again that they do not have the attention span to finish what they start.
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Anyone can point out the difference between different countries, etc. but the things are to learn is from the similarities of war, how to strategize, propagandize, etc.The points you tried to make are mundane and easily noted.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Anyone can point out the difference between different countries, etc. but the things are to learn is from the similarities of war, how to strategize, propagandize, etc.The points you tried to make are mundane and easily noted.
    All of which is different depending on those differences. We haven't learned that. Too many think they can do the same things under different circumstances.

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    So morale of the story...don't get into wars unless you absolutely need to.
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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So morale of the story...don't get into wars unless you absolutely need to.
    Amen! Amen!

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    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    True during WW2 and WW1 we fought to win those wars and there was no doubt about why we were fighting those wars. That's a stark contrast to what happened with Iraq.
    Why was the US involved in WWI? What was the goal? Do you know without looking it up?

    If people don't know why the Coalition was involved in Iraq then that's the fault of the individual. We must understand that there will be anti war propaganda from every quarter but all the propaganda was against the Coalition, with claims it was "all about oil", etc. Many, particularly on the left, were willing to side with a know despot and merciless dictator rather than their own country. And thing is is, they didn't even need propaganda from the terrorist camp.. The American and British people, again with a concentration from the left, did it against themselves.

    Where the primary reason to go was for non-existent WMD's.
    There were many reasons but that was not the primary reason. You can look it up for yourself. Without doing your own research you'll easily become the victim of anti American propaganda.

    Woodrow Wilson (D) led to crush his enemies. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D) fully intended to crush his opposition. That's that's what happens when Democrats start wars. Democrats are slow to go to war and fight to win. Republicans are saber rattlers and then cut n' run before the job is done. Bush started the Iraq war for nebulous reasons and then sign'ed the cut n' run treaty of surrender. And now you've got Republicans trying to saber rattle America into another war with Syria and Iran.
    When Americans were less divided they supported their presidents in time of war, Republican and Democrat alike. But that all changed with Vietnam (D) and the left turned on their leaders and the military. Nothing has changed since then.

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