Page 13 of 24 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 130 of 232

Thread: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

  1. #121
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Melbourne Florida
    Last Seen
    04-18-17 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    16,763

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    One can only achieve so much with air power.
    Saying it was "just like Vietnam" is short for "I can't be bothered to think about it rationally".
    Show me the difference. We bailed on Iraq, we bailed on Viet Nam.
    We could have taken down every air plane Iraq had with air power. Not just warn them about the no fly zone.
    How am I not being rational? Because I dont agree with you? You have some inside info we dont know about.
    How many of your family is buried at Arlington over a worthless war?

  2. #122
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    What a total cluster mess Iraq has turned out to be....

    Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities | Reuters
    Good thing we brought them that freedom and democracy, seems to be working out
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  3. #123
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Can't undo going there. But, we should have made sure things were going to remain stable, before we left.
    That is impossible to do with a foreign, occupying force and a divided people. We could not bring them democracy or stability, that should have been recognized beforehand. You can't force freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  4. #124
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,623

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Their internal security system consisted of large-scale massacres, compared to which the current death-toll is pretty small.

    And they were at war with most of their neighbours and a continuing threat to the other countries in the region.
    The large scale massacres I know of are part and parcel of the wars Iraq fought. Marsh Arabs and Kurds who sided with Iran. After Gulf WarI when Bush the Elder incited the Kurds to rise again and then gave them no backing. The official police round-ups and mass imprisonment may be down a notch, but the killings along religious lines make up for that.

    Now the wars- we backed the Iraqis in the Iran/Iraq war to include intel on Iranian troop concentrations to make gas attacks more 'productive'. Only when public outcry at home over expanded use of gas weapons did Reagan's crew withdraw support.

    Only when Saddam decided to reincorporate Kuwait back into traditional boundaries did we smell skunk. I doubt Saudi Arabia felt a military threat but a combined oil production of Iraq and returned province of Kuwait would RIVAL Saudi's lead in Gulf oil production.

    I think many would opine that now Shiite Iran has far more power in the region and a rather sympathetic ally in Iraq. Remember Iraq refused to ban Iranian overflights bound for Syria hauling Iranian support to the Assad Regime?

    While I doubt Iraq will merge with Iran, if we are fearmongering- Saudi Arabia can't be too happy a Shiite controlled nation sits on it's rather defenseless northern border. As Iraq has proven, religious differences matter far more than political ones.

  5. #125
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Melbourne Florida
    Last Seen
    04-18-17 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    16,763

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Saudi Arabia can't be too happy a Shiite controlled nation sits on it's rather defenseless northern border. As Iraq has proven, religious differences matter far more than political ones.
    Then Saudi Arabia can spend some of its trillions to defend and fight from now on.
    They break it off in our back sides, then need us to defend the very product they gouge us on. Can we get any more stupid in this nation.

  6. #126
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You see how long it took to stabilize Japan and Germany and we didn't face near the challenges we faced in Iraq. That was my point when I mentioned the post-WW2 occupation

    Do you see the difference?
    This doesn't compare at all to either Germany or Japan. So, yes, I see differences. Not sure your side does, as you keep with this comparison.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  7. #127
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    okla-freakin-homa
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,623

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then Saudi Arabia can spend some of its trillions to defend and fight from now on.
    They break it off in our back sides, then need us to defend the very product they gouge us on. Can we get any more stupid in this nation.
    Oh abso-freakin-loutly-

    How some ever if we don't defend our big oil interests in the Gulf, remember it is as much Exxon who rules the Middle East as any petty tyrant- which most our 'dear allies' are- if our big oil doesn't bring our big military our big oil can suck it.

    Roosia and China would LOVE to assist their dear friends the Arabs with that nasty oil surplus problem. (and they have faaaar less qualms about human/women's rights and all that other western corrupting nonsense)

    Hell the EU could put together both a oil consortium and military police force if it only has to stop Iran from south and look the other way when 'hooligans' cause problems over rights.

    Oh and we don't get much oil from the Middle East- the countries that 'break it off in our backsides' are infact our dear neighbors, north and south....

    (it is our own oil giants who rake in massive profits under the cover of USofA weapons selling to the rest of the world)

  8. #128
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Melbourne Florida
    Last Seen
    04-18-17 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    16,763

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You see how long it took to stabilize Japan and Germany and we didn't face near the challenges we faced in Iraq. That was my point when I mentioned the post-WW2 occupation

    Do you see the difference?
    Have to remember, a totally different peoples. Japan, knew it was beaten. Germany after the Nazis were removed and tried. Became an ally based on the fact that millions of Germans lived in the US already, as well as Italians.

  9. #129
    Educator
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    09-30-13 @ 04:19 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    698

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Show me the difference. We bailed on Iraq, we bailed on Viet Nam.
    We could have taken down every air plane Iraq had with air power. Not just warn them about the no fly zone.
    How am I not being rational? Because I dont agree with you? You have some inside info we dont know about.
    How many of your family is buried at Arlington over a worthless war?
    Iraq did,'t fly any combat planes anymore. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.
    Comparing Vietnam to Iraq is nonsensical.

  10. #130
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Melbourne Florida
    Last Seen
    04-18-17 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    16,763

    Re: Car bombs kill nearly 80 in Iraq, target Eid festivities

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Iraq did,'t fly any combat planes anymore. You simply have no idea what you're talking about.
    Comparing Vietnam to Iraq is nonsensical.
    The results are the same. We left and mass killings ensued. Pol Pot come to mind? The Khmer Rouge? The Killing Fields? The hundreds of thousands dead after we bailed after 14 years, billion of dollars, and 50K of our people dead?
    You are the one that has no idea what you are talking about.

Page 13 of 24 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •