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    Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    In just about seven weeks, people will be able to start buying Obamacare-approved insurance plans through the new health care exchanges.


    But already, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is predicting those plans, and the whole system of distributing them, will eventually be moot.


    Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”


    “What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

    When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

    Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system - Las Vegas Sun News
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

    The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
    I find it very hard to judge Obamacare's implications. It is just too much legal verbiage and I have not seen any economic modelling.

    I have looked at different systems and must say, that the USA has been paying rather a lot per head with not really terrific results on averages. I compared Germany as the archetype social system at one point with the US as the other end of the spectrum. I was surprised by some of the results.
    The US spends almost double, what Germany does per head of the population, when you add public and private spending together. When you consider the number of insured the US social system spends much more per head on the poor and aged than Germany.
    The German system also has lower quality (so say a number of well placed doctors in Germany like a friend, who runs a very large university hospital complex and another, who runs the pediatric hospital at another university) medical treatment in most areas. If you want top treatment go to Switzerland or the US. So they tell me.
    Another problem, I am told, is with MRSA. It is worse than in the States and in fact with 30.000 deaths a year is so bad, that you cannot easily transfer patients from a German public hospital to a Dutch one, because Holland does not want the risk that entails.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
    The majority of campaign contributors and their lobbyists wanted exactly what we got or we would not have it.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

    The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
    I've been saying that, all along.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
    Your proof? Thanks in advance.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The majority of this country wanted single payer in the first place, rather than the profit producing smorgasbord that was Obamacare.
    That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves. If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck. If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves.
    It's very easy to call other people sheep to make yourself feel better. Justify that with better ideas, rather than just sneering.

    If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck.
    You mean like how the medical industry is geared around the insurance companies? And the impetus for healthcare reform has largely stemmed from a desire to take that allegiance away from insurance companies and place it into the hands of the American people? Obamacare did not do this enough, still sacrificing the health, wealth, and security of the poorest Americans to protect the profits of insurance companies. Cutting the insurance companies out of the equation entirely, through single payer, would accomplish this nicely.

    If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
    As opposed to what we have now and had before Obamacare, where they were responsible to profiteering insurance companies? How exactly is a corporate accountant more interested in your health than a bureaucrat? The former's job is only to make a profit for his employers, even at the cost of your life. The latter's only job would be to coordinate health services to ensure that you got what you needed. Meanwhile, doctors usually care about their patients' health, regardless of who is paying them.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    That may be, because we have a lot of low information voters and Thoreau was correct when he observed that most men have the souls of slaves. If they stopped to think, however, they might realize that anyone who works pays a lot of attention to the interests of whoever signs the paycheck. If I need medical care, I prefer that the providers know that they are responsible to me rather than some bureaucrat with no interest in my health.
    Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

    It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

    The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
    Your "k" fetish is showing.

    People wonder why America is so polarized these days, and all we have to do is look at Zimmer's post here to see why. No attempt at grown up discussion, just insults and gratuitous K's.
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