Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Grant · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
Sure you did. All by yourself. Sure you did. :lamo:lamo:lamo

No, i've mentioned how health is a community concern many times. Disease often spreads. And poverty breeds disease. If we allow a number to go untreated, uncared for, what they catch and let grow will leave them and move to all in the community.

Even things as relatively minor as H1N1 influenza virus can spread very quickly and result in deaths. Imagine something worse. It can spread over into your life as fast as a fire.

He could be right. Without Obamacare the bubonic plague may resurface. Or polio. Who knows what disasters are lurking just around the corner??

Only Obamacare can save the nation from itself!

jonny5 · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
Sure you did. All by yourself. Sure you did. :lamo:lamo:lamo

No, i've mentioned how health is a community concern many times. Disease often spreads. And poverty breeds disease. If we allow a number to go untreated, uncared for, what they catch and let grow will leave them and move to all in the community.

Even things as relatively minor as H1N1 influenza virus can spread very quickly and result in deaths. Imagine something worse. It can spread over into your life as fast as a fire.

So then why not deal with those issues specifically? Why control every other aspect of my health? Thats exactly the point being made here. Limited govt which deals with specific problems, vs big govt which dictates your entire life.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Grant said:
So they are "the working poor' because they aren't getting rich?

Have you a link to Fox News where they are targeting police, firemen or teachers?

It's not hard. First link of a search:

Jim Wallis: Jon Stewart and the Sheer Hypocrisy of Fox News on Teachers

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Conservative said:
Oh, wow, "targeted by Fox and others as leaches?" Project much, my little leftwing friend? How about you setting the salaries of all employees in the country by telling private and public sector business what they should pay. I am sure you are an expert on cost analysis and business in general so you know what the profit demand is for business and the public sector.

I haven't told anyone. Focus.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Grant said:
He could be right. Without Obamacare the bubonic plague may resurface. Or polio. Who knows what disasters are lurking just around the corner??

Only Obamacare can save the nation from itself!

Certainly without a clear recognition, as we have, that disease is more than just an individual concern, that could happen. Don't leap ahead of what we're discussing. You said there was no community concern. I showed there is. Rebut it or agree.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

jonny5 said:
So then why not deal with those issues specifically? Why control every other aspect of my health? Thats exactly the point being made here. Limited govt which deals with specific problems, vs big govt which dictates your entire life.

No one is now nor has proposed n any way control all of health care. No one.

Conservative · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
I haven't told anyone. Focus.

Oh, I have focused, you are playing a game here. Of course you haven't told anyone for like all liberals you are an expert on every topic even though you have never run a business in your life.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Conservative said:
Oh, I have focused, you are playing a game here. Of course you haven't told anyone for like all liberals you are an expert on every topic even though you have never run a business in your life.

You're inaccurate here.

1) Fact: I have not told anyone what they should pay.

2) what makes you think I haven't run any business?

j-mac · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
Some are, yes. Most aren't getting rich, and they have been targeted by Fox and others as leaches and the like. However, read the part you but in bold. Allow me to highlight a key word:

. . . . OR . . .

So, a teacher, a firefighter, or a policeman aren't getting rich? Well, rudy poo! Neither am I, and I deliver the food YOU eat. Should I start crying that big daddy federal government doesn't give me enough of YOUR money?

According to Payscale.com the average salaries of teachers is

Job
National Salary Data (?)
$0 $16K $32K $48K
High School Teacher
4661 salaries
$44,434
Elementary School Teacher
4342 salaries
$40,701
Middle School Teacher
1866 salaries
$42,653
Special Education Teacher, Preschool, Kindergarten, or Elementary School
926 salaries
$41,441
Special Education Teacher, Secondary School
399 salaries
$45,455
Special Education Teacher, Middle School
288 salaries
$43,696
Secondary School Teacher
282 salaries
$41,486
PayScale
Country: United States | Currency: USD | Updated: 15 Aug 2013 | Individuals Reporting: 13,319

All over $40K

Firefighters -

$25,259 - $71,823
(Median)
0 25K 31K 42K 56K 72K
MEDIAN: $42,011
10% 25% 50% 75% 90%

Median income $42K

Policeman -

$25,259 - $71,823
(Median)
0 25K 31K 42K 56K 72K
MEDIAN: $42,011
10% 25% 50% 75% 90%

median salary $42K

PayScale - Salary Comparison, Salary Survey, Search Wages

Now this is not to mention the retirement packages many of these employees enjoy, along with superior health insurance, and bonus benefits...

Now, the average median income in the US is right at about $42K per year, so these professions are based on salary alone, right in the solid middle class, but add in their benefits, and they are well above the same person making $42K in the non government world, and teachers/firefighters/policemen make well more than the average citizen.

For you to try and claim that they are poor is just plain laughable, and not credible at all.

Conservative · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
You're inaccurate here.

1) Fact: I have not told anyone what they should pay.

2) what makes you think I haven't run any business?

Your posts say it all about you, you don't seem to have any concept of how business runs

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

j-mac said:
So, a teacher, a firefighter, or a policeman aren't getting rich? Well, rudy poo! Neither am I, and I deliver the food YOU eat. Should I start crying that big daddy federal government doesn't give me enough of YOUR money?

According to Payscale.com the average salaries of teachers is

All over $40K

Firefighters -

Median income $42K

Policeman -

median salary $42K

PayScale - Salary Comparison, Salary Survey, Search Wages

Now this is not to mention the retirement packages many of these employees enjoy, along with superior health insurance, and bonus benefits...

Now, the average median income in the US is right at about $42K per year, so these professions are based on salary alone, right in the solid middle class, but add in their benefits, and they are well above the same person making $42K in the non government world, and teachers/firefighters/policemen make well more than the average citizen.

For you to try and claim that they are poor is just plain laughable, and not credible at all.

40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

How much money do you need to live comfortably?

According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Conservative said:
Your posts say it all about you, you don't seem to have any concept of how business runs

How many times do you need to error?

Samhain · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

How much money do you need to live comfortably?

According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

That sounds ridiculously too high. I don't make near that, and live very comfortably with basics, extras, savings, 2 new cars, a big house, and 3 kids.

Conservative · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

How much money do you need to live comfortably?

According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

So now you are an expert on living comfortably? Doesn't it depend on where you live with that 40k a year? So you think that the Federal Govt. should decide where people live and what is a comfortable income?

j-mac · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

How much money do you need to live comfortably?

According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

Where in a free society are you guaranteed to "live comfortably"???

And this article of yours, are you kidding here? So, if I don't have enough to as the article puts it, "spend frivolously" then I am poor? What kind of 'woe is me' type of clap trap is this?

You know, you liberals pushed NAFTA, and Clinton signed it into law saying that opening up global markets was the way of the future, and further stated that the US could survive as a consumer society instead of a manufacturing based one, and everyone's lives would be OH so much better when they didn't have to work in those dirty factories, making paltry wages, while making "the man" rich....Then liberals started attacking business through regulation, and taxation until they jumped on board with the new global economy and moved away from the heavy regulation, and high taxation, and you blamed it on them because you think that making a profit is somehow a bad thing. Now you think that a shrunk tax base, terminal unemployment, and ever increasing attacks on wealth in this nation is somehow, magically going to solve what ills us...How butt stupid does one have to be?

The path to prosperity is NOT to lower all boats to a level of near poverty, but to provide the opportunity to raise ones boat to wealth through hard work and innovation. Your ideas kill this, and you do so unwittingly by blindly following guilt laden, elitist, Bourgeoisie liberals that think their failed over, and over policies will somehow work for the little people, while they have NO intention of following them for themselves...I am sick of it!

Grant · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
It's not hard. First link of a search:

Jim Wallis: Jon Stewart and the Sheer Hypocrisy of Fox News on Teachers

That was a link to a column linking to remarks to Jon Stewart!! Why not a link directly to Fox??

Grant · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
40K is big bucks. I grant you that.

How much money do you need to live comfortably?

According to this year's "How America Shops" survey, it now takes an income of more than $150,000 to be able to afford the basics, some extras and to save, too.

The basics, some extras, savings: You need $150,000 a year

How much are you planning on saving each year? $100,000?

Grant · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
You're inaccurate here. 2) what makes you think I haven't run any business?

Certainly not a successful business, but probably none.

Grant · Aug 28, 2013

Boo Radley said:
Certainly without a clear recognition, as we have, that disease is more than just an individual concern, that could happen. Don't leap ahead of what we're discussing. You said there was no community concern. I showed there is. Rebut it or agree.

You feel the government has 'clear recognition'? They are using all the latest technology to spy millions of Americans and they couldn't even prevent the Boston bombings, despite being told in advance by the Russians. And yet you feel they might have 'clear recognition' regarding disease control??

j-mac · Aug 28, 2013

Grant said:
You feel the government has 'clear recognition'? They are using all the latest technology to spy millions of Americans and they couldn't even prevent the Boston bombings, despite being told in advance by the Russians. And yet you feel they might have 'clear recognition' regarding disease control??

Not with a mission such as this...

CDC's Role
CDC 24-7 logoTaking the health pulse of our nation
Detecting and responding to new and emerging health threats
Tackling the biggest health problems causing death and disability for Americans
Putting science and advanced technology into action to prevent disease
Promoting healthy and safe behaviors, communities and environment
Developing leaders and training the public health workforce, including disease detectives

CDC - About CDC Mission & Vision

Much like the police, the CDC seems to be there to investigate, stop the spread, and research, oh, and distribute pamphlets. Clear recognition is NOT in their mission statement anywhere.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Samhain said:
That sounds ridiculously too high. I don't make near that, and live very comfortably with basics, extras, savings, 2 new cars, a big house, and 3 kids.

Perhaps. But the poverty levels are ridiculously low. The point is, it takes a fair sum to live comfortably. I'd say if you have a family, 40K is rather low.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Conservative said:
So now you are an expert on living comfortably? Doesn't it depend on where you live with that 40k a year? So you think that the Federal Govt. should decide where people live and what is a comfortable income?

It's terrible that I read. I know. I should just listen to Rush or Beck. But, that's who I am. :shrug:

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

j-mac said:
Where in a free society are you guaranteed to "live comfortably"???

And this article of yours, are you kidding here? So, if I don't have enough to as the article puts it, "spend frivolously" then I am poor? What kind of 'woe is me' type of clap trap is this?

You know, you liberals pushed NAFTA, and Clinton signed it into law saying that opening up global markets was the way of the future, and further stated that the US could survive as a consumer society instead of a manufacturing based one, and everyone's lives would be OH so much better when they didn't have to work in those dirty factories, making paltry wages, while making "the man" rich....Then liberals started attacking business through regulation, and taxation until they jumped on board with the new global economy and moved away from the heavy regulation, and high taxation, and you blamed it on them because you think that making a profit is somehow a bad thing. Now you think that a shrunk tax base, terminal unemployment, and ever increasing attacks on wealth in this nation is somehow, magically going to solve what ills us...How butt stupid does one have to be?

The path to prosperity is NOT to lower all boats to a level of near poverty, but to provide the opportunity to raise ones boat to wealth through hard work and innovation. Your ideas kill this, and you do so unwittingly by blindly following guilt laden, elitist, Bourgeoisie liberals that think their failed over, and over policies will somehow work for the little people, while they have NO intention of following them for themselves...I am sick of it!

Don't make leaps. I never said anyone was assured of anything.

Nor confuse me with NAFTA support.

You do too much liberals and conservative stereotyping. I think it's because of what you read, tainting your reasoning ability, but the thing is actual people tend to not be so easily categorized.

Nor has anyone said lower all boats. That too is a canned response. Do you even remember what we were talking about?

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Grant said:
That was a link to a column linking to remarks to Jon Stewart!! Why not a link directly to Fox??

He shows links. I said it was just the first of a search. Feel free to dig further.

Boo Radley · Aug 28, 2013

Grant said:
Certainly not a successful business, but probably none.

How would you know? You guys throw around a lot, but really show little in terms of actual knowledge. :lamo