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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Oh, Good Lord, Boo, you really are nothing more than a big central govt. liberal where personal responsibility doesn't exist and the Federal taxpayer should bail even you out of poor choices you make. Sorry, that isn't what made this country great. Police, fire, and teachers are funded by state taxes, Obama bought union votes by his use of Federal funds to "save" jobs without even giving the states the opportunity to do it. That is a state responsibility, not a federal one. You live in the wrong country.

You had your facts wrong. I just corrected you.
 
You had your facts wrong. I just corrected you.

The Stimulus program was a single one time bill that isn't ongoing so you corrected nothing. The Stimulus paid off union supporters and bought votes. Nice diversion though from the topic.
 
You'll look forever before you find I said this. Is this part of dishonesty schtick? How about Powell and Sensenbrenner? Why can'tor you answer that?

Because I have no idea what you are talking about. Sensenbrenner wants to require voter ID and change the voter rights act. Haven't seen what he proposed.
 
The Stimulus program was a single one time bill that isn't ongoing so you corrected nothing. The Stimulus paid off union supporters and bought votes. Nice diversion though from the topic.

Once again you are factually challenged:

In fact, the federal government spends huge amounts of money to support all those professions.

Back in the Lyndon Johnson administration, it started paying out Title 1 education funds, and this year, it is slated to spend $14.5 billion under Title 1. The money is meant to help disadvantaged schools. The bulk of it is used for personnel costs.

In 1975, Congress passed the predecessor law to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, designed to improve special education. Programs under IDEA received $11.6 billion in funding in 2012, and much of that money goes to hiring teachers.

In all, the federal government pays for nearly 11 percent of the country's public school costs.


Uncle Sam also funds thousands of police jobs ever since the Community Oriented Policing Services program was created in 1994. In its first eight years, COPS provided about a billion dollars annually, mostly for hiring. In 2010, separate from any stimulus spending, the federal government awarded $298 million for 1,388 officers. It spent $247 million to hire more than 1,000 officers in 2011. About 800 will be hired with $111 million in 2012. The Congressional Research Service estimated that as of January 2011 the program had paid for the hiring of 117,000 officers.

Mitt Romney's 'Absurd' Claim Misses Billions In Federal Funds For Cops, Teachers, Firefighters
 
Once again you are factually challenged:

In fact, the federal government spends huge amounts of money to support all those professions.

Back in the Lyndon Johnson administration, it started paying out Title 1 education funds, and this year, it is slated to spend $14.5 billion under Title 1. The money is meant to help disadvantaged schools. The bulk of it is used for personnel costs.

In 1975, Congress passed the predecessor law to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, designed to improve special education. Programs under IDEA received $11.6 billion in funding in 2012, and much of that money goes to hiring teachers.

In all, the federal government pays for nearly 11 percent of the country's public school costs.


Uncle Sam also funds thousands of police jobs ever since the Community Oriented Policing Services program was created in 1994. In its first eight years, COPS provided about a billion dollars annually, mostly for hiring. In 2010, separate from any stimulus spending, the federal government awarded $298 million for 1,388 officers. It spent $247 million to hire more than 1,000 officers in 2011. About 800 will be hired with $111 million in 2012. The Congressional Research Service estimated that as of January 2011 the program had paid for the hiring of 117,000 officers.

Mitt Romney's 'Absurd' Claim Misses Billions In Federal Funds For Cops, Teachers, Firefighters

It isn't your responsibility to pay for my area's teachers, police, or fire fighters and that is reality nor is it mine to pay for yours. Where do you think the federal govt. gets the money to fund their spending?
 
Sensenbrenner actually wants a VRA on the federal level. His fellow Repubs don't and won't.
Because I have no idea what you are talking about. Sensenbrenner wants to require voter ID and change the voter rights act. Haven't seen what he proposed.
 
It isn't your responsibility to pay for my area's teachers, police, or fire fighters and that is reality nor is it mine to pay for yours. Where do you think the federal govt. gets the money to fund their spending?

Again, you were factually incorrect. Understand that.
 
Wonder if theres ever been a bank robbery in Houston? As yanno that's the FBI's gig.

Oh, so the FBI now is no different than your local Sheriff?

The formation of the FBI at it's inception was a progressive idea, and likely unconstitutional.
 
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I understand you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong

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I understand you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong

I proved my point. You were wrong, and that's a fact. But you are not admitting it, so are you projecting yet a again?
 
I proved my point. You were wrong, and that's a fact. But you are not admitting it, so are you projecting yet a again?

You proved that you don't understand exactly what the Federal Govt. funded and it isn't the normal day to day operation and yearly budget of the Police, Fire, and teachers. You show just what a big central govt. liberal you really are as you ignore history and actual results. It doesn't matter how much money the govt. spends as long as it gives you what you want, not necessarily what you need.

By the way, isn't creating shovel ready jobs great?
 
You proved that you don't understand exactly what the Federal Govt. funded and it isn't the normal day to day operation and yearly budget of the Police, Fire, and teachers. You show just what a big central govt. liberal you really are as you ignore history and actual results. It doesn't matter how much money the govt. spends as long as it gives you what you want, not necessarily what you need.

By the way, isn't creating shovel ready jobs great?




Oh it's so funny....hahahahaha.....Sad.
 


Oh it's so funny....hahahahaha.....Sad.


It is interesting how little most liberals seem to know about the role of the Federal Govt. They will always bypass their state govt. to get what they want when they cannot sell the people of their own state on a specific program. These are the people that don't like state government when it doesn't give them what they want so they want the federal govt. to force states to give them what they want.
 
You proved that you don't understand exactly what the Federal Govt. funded and it isn't the normal day to day operation and yearly budget of the Police, Fire, and teachers. You show just what a big central govt. liberal you really are as you ignore history and actual results. It doesn't matter how much money the govt. spends as long as it gives you what you want, not necessarily what you need.

By the way, isn't creating shovel ready jobs great?


Diverting again. States use government funds for police. Walk tall and admit your error.
 
Diverting again. States use government funds for police. Walk tall and admit your error.

Yes, but stimulus money that went to the states and local communities was a one time fee. Other funding for police and fire fighters comes for new programs such as robotics and other innovative projects. Has nothing to do with the day to day operation of the police, fire, or teachers. You willingly buy what the Federal Govt. tells you because that is what you want to believe. Your state has the responsibility for your police, fire fighters, and police. Learn the role of the Federal Govt.
 
Yes, but stimulus money that went to the states and local communities was a one time fee. Other funding for police and fire fighters comes for new programs such as robotics and other innovative projects. Has nothing to do with the day to day operation of the police, fire, or teachers. You willingly buy what the Federal Govt. tells you because that is what you want to believe. Your state has the responsibility for your police, fire fighters, and police. Learn the role of the Federal Govt.

Now you know I linked more than the stimulus. :roll::lamo
 
Now you know I linked more than the stimulus. :roll::lamo

Backed into a corner, now you want to leave this branch of the thread....Typical...How many other branches will you create to then abandon when you lose that argument before you start being honest?
 
Backed into a corner, now you want to leave this branch of the thread....Typical...How many other branches will you create to then abandon when you lose that argument before you start being honest?

J, I'm worried about you. I'm not in a corner. Do you even read posts? You seem to have no idea what's going on. He made a factual error. I corrected him. He started dancing. Please make sure you know what's going before replying. It'll make things much easier and more rational.
 
J, I'm worried about you. I'm not in a corner. Do you even read posts? You seem to have no idea what's going on. He made a factual error. I corrected him. He started dancing. Please make sure you know what's going before replying. It'll make things much easier and more rational.

More dishonesty...tsk, tsk....
 
Now you know I linked more than the stimulus. :roll::lamo

You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.
 
You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.

Well, I think there was a more cynical method to his madness at the time...Remember when they bailed out the banks, all the progressives were screaming that the banks had to do what Obama said because they took the money? Well, I think he tried to expand that line of thinking to the states, and it failed ultimately in that aspect of it.
 
You also ignore and always will the role of the state and federal governments making it impossible for anyone to tell the difference. There was no requirement that Obama throw money at the states but he did and people like you applauded it. Some people simply cannot understand that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt paid for by about 250 billion a year in debt service that serves no one but that is ok, create another entitlement program and drive that up so we can have that utopia that you seem to think exists.

It is not Obama (or presidents alone), but our congress critters, that allow more federal spending than federal taxation. Obama may completely agree that it is OK to spend more than he dare ask for in direct taxation, but he alone cannot make that decision. The republicants always talk of balancing the federal budget but refuse to actually do so. A majority of our congress critters clapped like trained seals when Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes and Obama asked them to spend more than federal taxation supported.
 
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