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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Jack Hays said:
The Peace Corps is a volunteer program run by the United States government. The stated mission of the Peace Corps includes three goals: providing technical assistance; helping people outside the United States to understand American culture; and helping Americans to understand the cultures of other countries. The work is generally related to social and economic development. Each program participant, a Peace Corps Volunteer, is an American citizen, typically with a college degree, who works abroad for a period of 24 months after three months of training. Volunteers work with governments, schools, non-profit organizations, non-government organizations, and entrepreneurs in education, hunger, business, information technology, agriculture, and the environment. After 24 months of service, volunteers can request an extension of service.[SUP][2]

The fact that volunteers have been attacked is obviously terrible, but it's not a sign of abuse or fraud in the organization.[/SUP]:peace
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Not attacked. Raped and murdered. The fact that Peace Corps officials knew about it and didn't do anything is a sign of abuse.

The resulting media storm forced Peace Corps Director Aaron Williams to testify before Congress on the allegations, where he pledged to reform the agency.

Read more: Despite All Its Accomplishments, It Is Not Without Scandals - The Peace Corps Turns 50: 10 Little-Known Facts About It - TIME #ixzz2cbRp0Mcb
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Why reform is theres no waste fraud or abuse?
 
Boo Radley said:
Yeah. Those are all better sources. Wiki is a survey source that actually holds up well when compared to other survey sources. It's best used only to survey. But the other three are very good sources, and largely much better than what you use.
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Because you agree with their bias....Big surprise.
 
NIMBY said:
You were doing well up to the comma.
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Yes, the 9.2% unemployment in Illinois and declining labor force vs the 6.5% unemployment rate in TX and a growing labor force is much better and says it all. You must be so proud of the economic performance in Illinois which of course you ignore and don't understand.
 
j-mac said:
Because you agree with their bias....Big surprise.
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No. Because those who are in the field overwhelming state it. It's called best evidence. It's what best decisions should be made on. You're side seeking any weak thing to hang your hat on.
 
Boo Radley said:
No. Because those who are in the field overwhelming state it. It's called best evidence. It's what best decisions should be made on. You're side seeking any weak thing to hang your hat on.
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There are a lot of factors that go into making a decision with most of them based upon logic, common sense, and historical data. When you look at SS and Medicare you see a well intended program that was self funding but is now trillions in unfunded liabilities as the money was used for other purposes. When you look at most liberal programs they are well intended but poorly administered and supervised thus are ripe with waste, fraud, and abuse. I am sure you mean well but the reality is you are very naive and ignoring history and common sense.

This country is almost 17 trillion dollars in debt and continuing to borrow and print money to service that debt. Waste, fraud, and abuse always follows liberal social programs because politicians buy votes with their "handouts" thus driving up costs. National healthcare is a failure because it doesn't provide the quality service and access promised. There aren't enough doctors to service the additional people going on the healthcare roles but there will be plenty of money going in for the govt. bureaucrats to waste. Why would you reward past bad behavior by implementing another entitlement program?
 
jonny5 said:
Not attacked. Raped and murdered. The fact that Peace Corps officials knew about it and didn't do anything is a sign of abuse.



Why reform is theres no waste fraud or abuse?
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Unhappy former volunteers claimed PC leadership knew about it and did nothing. Not quite the same thing.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
Unhappy former volunteers claimed PC leadership knew about it and did nothing. Not quite the same thing.:peace
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"The resulting media storm forced Peace Corps Director Aaron Williams to testify before Congress on the allegations, where he pledged to reform the agency."

:peace

Just come up with a better example.
 
All the inflammatory rhetoric is not really helpful.
The United States spends about twice as much as any industrialized nation on health care.
Our outcomes are dismal to say the least.
The single payer system was an idea originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
Employer provided health care is just a dumb way to provide healthcare coverage.
All the Republicans did was to sit on the sidelines when the ACA was being discussed,
fought tooth and nail to avoid it's passage, then do anything possible to repeal it.
And THEY'RE the responsible party? Give me a break.
When you're 65 and the doc says that you need a pacemaker for $100,000 bucks,
you're going to be thankful that a 20-yearold "invincible" is already paying into the system!
Can The ACA be improved? Sure it can. Tell the Republicans to get off their collective asses
and do something!
 
jonny5 said:
"The resulting media storm forced Peace Corps Director Aaron Williams to testify before Congress on the allegations, where he pledged to reform the agency."

:peace

Just come up with a better example.
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No better example needed. Pledges to reform are the standard means to get through nuisance hearings in Congress.:peace
 
uncleray said:
All the inflammatory rhetoric is not really helpful.
The United States spends about twice as much as any industrialized nation on health care.
Our outcomes are dismal to say the least.
The single payer system was an idea originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation.
Employer provided health care is just a dumb way to provide healthcare coverage.
All the Republicans did was to sit on the sidelines when the ACA was being discussed,
fought tooth and nail to avoid it's passage, then do anything possible to repeal it.
And THEY'RE the responsible party? Give me a break.
When you're 65 and the doc says that you need a pacemaker for $100,000 bucks,
you're going to be thankful that a 20-yearold "invincible" is already paying into the system!
Can The ACA be improved? Sure it can. Tell the Republicans to get off their collective asses
and do something!
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Nice spin but where in the Constitution does it define healthcare as a Federal Responsibility. Did you not see the closed door hearings where Democrats shut out Republicans? Do you not understand that a nation of 312 million Americans and 50 sovereign states cannot have a universal healthcare plan that will be efficient and improve quality of service? The ACA isn't affordable nor is it practical. A much better program would be a state program should the people of the state choose to accept it. If not then personal responsibility takes over.

Power belongs at the lowest form of govt. and that would be the states and local communities, not at the federal level. Every program the Federal Govt. has implemented is bloated, full of waste, fraud, and abuse yet you want to reward previous bad behavior with more money? That makes absolutely no sense.

You see, you and others think with your heart, now try using your brain.
 
I find it quite amusing that you say this:

uncleray said:
All the inflammatory rhetoric is not really helpful.
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And then you follow it up with this:

All the Republicans did was to sit on the sidelines when the ACA was being discussed,
fought tooth and nail to avoid it's passage, then do anything possible to repeal it.
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It shows that: You really have no idea what the Republicans have done in regard to Obamacare. On one hand, you say they sat on the sidelines. On the other hand, you say they fought to avoid its passage. Which is it? Did they sit and do nothing? Or did they fight? Furthermore, they were SHOVED to the sidelines. They weren't there by choice.

You were saying something about inflammatory rhetoric??
 
Jack Hays said:
No better example needed. Pledges to reform are the standard means to get through nuisance hearings in Congress.:peace
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My sister and her husband were among the first groups of volunteers, and they were headquartered in Bandung (sp), Indonesia, which was apparently in the mountains, and very comfortable temperature-wise. She said Jakarta was so hot! I have an 8x11 glossy black and white photo of my sister meeting Jack Kennedy and talking with him. Needless to say, I am very proud of her, even though she's a Dem, which I tease her about all the time! :lamo: She met Sukarno and his wife while there, too. :thumbs:
 
Conservative;1062215539 You see said:
Well, I do use my brain, although my wife might think otherwise. Just sayin'
No need to quote the Constitution, got it installed as an App in my Nook.
It is not being followed anyway by either party.
I would disagree that with sovereign states (and lets not forget about Puerto Rico) Universal Healthcare is not possible.
A healthy population is in the country's interest. We can't afford Emergency Room coverage anymore.
If the Fed can print $85 billion a month to keep the banks healthy from the toxic actions of their own making,
then surely we can come up with a solution to keep people healthy.
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uncleray said:
Well, I do use my brain, although my wife might think otherwise. Just sayin'
No need to quote the Constitution, got it installed as an App in my Nook.
It is not being followed anyway by either party.
I would disagree that with sovereign states (and lets not forget about Puerto Rico) Universal Healthcare is not possible.
A healthy population is in the country's interest. We can't afford Emergency Room coverage anymore.
If the Fed can print $85 billion a month to keep the banks healthy from the toxic actions of their own making,
then surely we can come up with a solution to keep people healthy.
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Yes...we can. And the Republicans have tried many times to get the solution implemented. It's called getting the federal government out of the way.
 
Conservative said:
There are a lot of factors that go into making a decision with most of them based upon logic, common sense, and historical data. When you look at SS and Medicare you see a well intended program that was self funding but is now trillions in unfunded liabilities as the money was used for other purposes. When you look at most liberal programs they are well intended but poorly administered and supervised thus are ripe with waste, fraud, and abuse. I am sure you mean well but the reality is you are very naive and ignoring history and common sense.

This country is almost 17 trillion dollars in debt and continuing to borrow and print money to service that debt. Waste, fraud, and abuse always follows liberal social programs because politicians buy votes with their "handouts" thus driving up costs. National healthcare is a failure because it doesn't provide the quality service and access promised. There aren't enough doctors to service the additional people going on the healthcare roles but there will be plenty of money going in for the govt. bureaucrats to waste. Why would you reward past bad behavior by implementing another entitlement program?
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Yes, and it will take some time to reverse that trend. That said, we don't stop doing the people's work. A more efficient and cheaper health care system would help that and not hurt it. As I tried to show you, it is possible to do that and have more of your money in your pocket.
 
uncleray said:
Well, I do use my brain, although my wife might think otherwise. Just sayin'
No need to quote the Constitution, got it installed as an App in my Nook.
It is not being followed anyway by either party.
I would disagree that with sovereign states (and lets not forget about Puerto Rico) Universal Healthcare is not possible.
A healthy population is in the country's interest. We can't afford Emergency Room coverage anymore.
If the Fed can print $85 billion a month to keep the banks healthy from the toxic actions of their own making,
then surely we can come up with a solution to keep people healthy.
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Where do you think people go when they cannot get into seeing a doctor if not the ER's. Check out the costs of MA healthcare and figure out why it is so high. Universal Healthcare is a noble goal but healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a Federal responsibility and I love it when people try to compare this country's healthcare costs to other nations none of which have 312 million people, the freedom of choices we have in this country, and 50 independent states.

There aren't enough doctors to absorb another 14-30 million people, there are only a fixed number of hours doctors are capable of working so when people cannot get into a doctor's office they go to the ER which drives up costs. Waiting times are going to get longer and quality of care is going to drop.Check out the wait times in Canada and Britain, two countries closest to us.

So many factors go into an individual's health including personal habits including alcohol and drug usage. How do you propose handling that. How about obesity, any ideas?


Like all liberal ideas they may be noble but are not practical and always cost more than intended and do less than intended.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, and it will take some time to reverse that trend. That said, we don't stop doing the people's work. A more efficient and cheaper health care system would help that and not hurt it. As I tried to show you, it is possible to do that and have more of your money in your pocket.
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where does personal responsibility lie in your world and when are you going to try and refute the high costs in MA and other states with UHC? Logic and common sense apparently aren't something you understand. If people abuse their bodies they are going to need more care, that is a personal responsibility and you cannot legislate stupidity. Your thoughts are theory and theory when it comes to the govt. isn't worth the thought process that generates that theory. Why would you reward bad behavior by adding another entitlement program?
 
Where do you think people go when they cannot get into seeing a doctor if not the ER's. Check out the costs of MA healthcare and figure out why it is so high. Universal Healthcare is a noble goal but healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a Federal responsibility and I love it when people try to compare this country's healthcare costs to other nations none of which have 312 million people, the freedom of choices we have in this country, and 50 independent states.
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My point was that while it is in the national interest to have a healthy population. And I agree that it not the
Federal responsibility to provide health care; neither was it the Fed's responsibility to bailout Wallstreet even though they did.
There aren't enough doctors to absorb another 14-30 million people, there are only a fixed number of hours doctors are capable of working so when people cannot get into a doctor's office they go to the ER which drives up costs. Waiting times are going to get longer and quality of care is going to drop.Check out the wait times in Canada and Britain, two countries closest to us.
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Agreed that there are not enough doctors for the 14-30 million. You can thank the AMA and med schools; but THAT is another story. However, with the additional numbers of insured now needing something like an x-ray or MRI, a technician can be trained in 6-12 months to perform that task. Unemployment goes down, personal income goes up and they get off unemployment.

So many factors go into an individual's health including personal habits including alcohol and drug usage. How do you propose handling that. How about obesity, any ideas?
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How about we tax giant-sized drinks? They don't quench your thirst, but they do shoot up your blood sugar and burn out your pancreas so we can sell more insulin and glycemic control meds that are overpriced in this country and affordable elsewhere. We can thank Big Pharma, but again THAT's another story.
Many diseases are related to obesity such as arthritis, heart conditions, etc. even snoring!

Like all liberal ideas they may be noble but are not practical and always cost more than intended and do less than intended.[/QUOTE]
Again, if there is money to treat the banks' toxic assets (CDO's and derrivatives, etc) shouldn't a way be found to treat the patient?
 
uncleray said:
My point was that while it is in the national interest to have a healthy population. And I agree that it not the
Federal responsibility to provide health care; neither was it the Fed's responsibility to bailout Wallstreet even though they did.

Agreed that there are not enough doctors for the 14-30 million. You can thank the AMA and med schools; but THAT is another story. However, with the additional numbers of insured now needing something like an x-ray or MRI, a technician can be trained in 6-12 months to perform that task. Unemployment goes down, personal income goes up and they get off unemployment.


How about we tax giant-sized drinks? They don't quench your thirst, but they do shoot up your blood sugar and burn out your pancreas so we can sell more insulin and glycemic control meds that are overpriced in this country and affordable elsewhere. We can thank Big Pharma, but again THAT's another story.
Many diseases are related to obesity such as arthritis, heart conditions, etc. even snoring!

Like all liberal ideas they may be noble but are not practical and always cost more than intended and do less than intended.
Again, if there is money to treat the banks' toxic assets (CDO's and derrivatives, etc) shouldn't a way be found to treat the patient?
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How about we stop rewarding bad behavior including the banks and the Federal Bureaucrats? We shouldn't bail out banks nor should we bail out personal behavior problems.
 
Conservative said:
How about we stop rewarding bad behavior including the banks and the Federal Bureaucrats? We shouldn't bail out banks nor should we bail out personal behavior problems.
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And on THAT, we can agree !
 
Conservative said:
where does personal responsibility lie in your world and when are you going to try and refute the high costs in MA and other states with UHC? Logic and common sense apparently aren't something you understand. If people abuse their bodies they are going to need more care, that is a personal responsibility and you cannot legislate stupidity. Your thoughts are theory and theory when it comes to the govt. isn't worth the thought process that generates that theory. Why would you reward bad behavior by adding another entitlement program?
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I'm not sure you guys are big on personal responsibility as you're always blaming others: the media, liberals, everyone who disagree with you (usually always that they're dumb, uneducated, hating America, lacking common sense, and whatever other name you can call them).

But that fact is you can do everything right, and still find yourself needing medical care you cant afford on your own. It's beneficial for the country to have an efficient and sound plan to deal with public health. Needed care should be like fire and police, a public concern.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm not sure you guys are big on personal responsibility as you're always blaming others: the media, liberals, everyone who disagree with you (usually always that they're dumb, uneducated, hating America, lacking common sense, and whatever other name you can call them).

But that fact is you can do everything right, and still find yourself needing medical care you cant afford on your own. It's beneficial for the country to have an efficient and sound plan to deal with public health. Needed care should be like fire and police, a public concern.
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Funny how the data supports us. The fact is you cannot legislate stupidity and personal responsibility. Your one size fits all always costs more than intended and provides less than other programs would provide. Take your "investment and your employers" investment in SS and put it in a simple CD over your work lifetime and see how much you would have when you retired and it would be all yours and your families.

What I find quite perplexing is how someone with your intelligence can so easily be fooled and how gullible you are. You still haven't answered, what is in it for you?
 
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