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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Then why do you post this link:

Why? because it confirms the numbers and information I have posted in the past, information that you ignore all because you want to believe liberal rhetoric for how could any liberal lie to you for personal gain?
 
Why? because it confirms the numbers and information I have posted in the past, information that you ignore all because you want to believe liberal rhetoric for how could any liberal lie to you for personal gain?

Your source is not worth the effort.
 
Your source is not worth the effort.

I understand, the Treasury Dept. showing Debt never bothers a liberal. Real numbers showing wait times don't matter either because ideology and your feelings always will trump reality.
 
Because the definition of Centrist is someone who doesn't support the shifting of this country to either the left or the right and it is obvious to anyone that Obama's agenda is to transform America strongly to the left as evidenced by his economic policies and his rhetoric promoting social justice and demonizing the producers in this country.

Agreeing with one side on a particular issue doesn't mean shifting the country. We're not really divided down the middle to left and right. it's largely a false line. Instead, most are left on this issue and right on that. The lean is merely a lean, not a full bore commitment. Ideologues are poisoned by the belief that its us versus them. We may disagree on issues, but it is hyperbolic and poisonous the world to so strongly hate those who disagree with you.
 
I spent over a decade watching them first hand in Africa. They are the most cost effective organization in the USG.

That subjective. I was simply correcting the facts, that they are a social program and they have no waste or abuse.
 
Can anyone tell me what bill passed in Congress contained these expense items? Is there any wonder why Conservatives always question proposed spending in the name of compassion?

$4 million for the Kennedy Space Center .
$8 million to buy cars and equipment for the Homeland Security and Justice departments.
$20 million for a nationwide "Water Resources Priorities Study".
$41 million for eight military bases including Guantanamo Bay .
$56.8 million for charting the debris from last year's Japanese tsunami.
$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
$100 million for the federal Head Start day care program.
$150 million in funding for Alaskan fisheries.
$188 million for new Amtrak lines (not repair, whole new lines).
$197 million "to. protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy."
$5.3 billion to the Army Corps of Engineers (that's more than their annual budget).
$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.
$13 billion would go to "mitigation" projects to prepare for future storms.
$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.
 
Can anyone tell me what bill passed in Congress contained these expense items? Is there any wonder why Conservatives always question proposed spending in the name of compassion?

Hurricane Sandy Relief Bill.

President Obama has proposed an emergency relief bill that is intended to help with the ongoing Hurricane Sandy relief efforts. The bill, which comes to a tune of $60 billion, has endured increased criticism over the last few days — on account that roughly 20% of the bill's proposed allocations don't have much to do with storm relief..

In spite of much needed fiscal responsibility, it appears that the federal government will continue to spend taxpayer money like the words "fiscal cliff" are inconsequential. Although much of the East Coast is still recovering from Sandy, it seems that the president's bill may be more about increasing government spending than it is about helping Sandy victims — not to mention, that through already available government funds and private donations, it may not be needed at all.

The bill in question, among other things, provides $150 million for Alaskan fisheries and $8 million for the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice to purchase new cars and equipment. Also, an additional $13 billion of the bill would go toward projects that are designed to prepare for future storms.

Although the bill's supposed intent is to provide emergency assistance, the Congressional Budget Office contests that only one-third of the money would be spent over the next 21 months — in turn lessening the emphasis on emergency relief. This raises brows to what exactly President Obama's true intentions are for the bill, especially when considering the timing and possible (although not likely) spending concessions that he'll have to make during the fiscal cliff negotiations.
Hurricane Sandy Relief Bill Contains Billions in Wasteful Spending
 
Hurricane Sandy Relief Bill.

Exactly, you are the winner. This just goes to show that the Republicans were demonized for voting against the Hurricane Sandy relief fund when the reality is so much of the relief fund is pork. Will liberals ever apologize?
 
Exactly, you are the winner. This just goes to show that the Republicans were demonized for voting against the Hurricane Sandy relief fund when the reality is so much of the relief fund is pork. Will liberals ever apologize?

LOL!!

No, liberals will never apologize. The best they can do is say that Republicans do it too...so it's okay.
 
The disaster was caused by the Pelosi House and the Reid Senate. Pelosi is gone, which is progress, but Reid is still there and (along with Obama) the greatest obstacle to a full economic recovery.

It only took the GOP House 6 months to downgrade the economy in 2011. What magic did Pelosi pull to cause the Bush disaster in 2008 that caused McCain to hit the pause button? And why won't the House fix their Post Office blunder from 2006?
 
LOL, The House doesn't have a filibuster rule so no you don't get it at all but we do. You are a typical Obama supporter

Next time I'll spell it out more clearly for ya. I didn't think one so esteemed would need to be told it was the "Senate" who filibusters. And to think you assclowns didn't think that happened between 09-11. You do bring up a good point. The House has its own filibuster, the Hastert rule.
 
It only took the GOP House 6 months to downgrade the economy in 2011. What magic did Pelosi pull to cause the Bush disaster in 2008 that caused McCain to hit the pause button? And why won't the House fix their Post Office blunder from 2006?

You keep talking about a pause button. Please explain what McCain had to do with the economic policies of Barack Obama? Further please explain why the Democrat controlled Congress(Both Houses) that took office January 2007 and held power until January 2011 didn't fix the problems with the post office that you are concerned about but you expected the GOP House with a Democrat President and Democrat Senate to fix?
 
Next time I'll spell it out more clearly for ya. I didn't think one so esteemed would need to be told it was the "Senate" who filibusters. And to think you assclowns didn't think that happened between 09-11. You do bring up a good point. The House has its own filibuster, the Hastert rule.

Apparently you don't understand what spelling it out means because this is clear as Mud. Republicans filibustered nothing from 2007-2009 because Bush was in office and could have vetoed anything he didn't want. The Democrats controlled the entire Congress from January 2007 to January 2011 and during part of the Obama first term had a filibuster proof Senate. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House during that period of time, did she use the Hastert rule?

Do you get any unbiased news in Illinois? Obviously civics wasn't taught where you went to school
 
It only took the GOP House 6 months to downgrade the economy in 2011. What magic did Pelosi pull to cause the Bush disaster in 2008 that caused McCain to hit the pause button? And why won't the House fix their Post Office blunder from 2006?

So let me see if I have this correct, the Republicans didn't fix the Post Office blunder that happened in 2006 when they took control of one House of Congress in 2011? What exactly did the Democrats do to correct the problems you think existed when they had total control from January 2007-January 2011?
 
But insurance companies aren't interested in your health either, they are interested in maximising profits. Fact is, the US system doesn't come out well when compared to single payer systems.
Disagreed. Insurance companies have a vested interest in retaining public confidence in their integrity, otherwise they will lose business to competitors. Government couldn't care less about confidence in their integrity because they have a monopoly and the poor consumer has nowhere else to go. That is why the US system is superior to any single payer system.
 
Can anyone tell me what bill passed in Congress contained these expense items? Is there any wonder why Conservatives always question proposed spending in the name of compassion?
Funny, it was sponsored by a GOP rep ( Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ)) and passed the House 354/67.
 
Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons.
Who knew that the path to socialism was adopting a conservative idea and mandating the purchase of a private product?
 
Funny, it was sponsored by a GOP rep ( Rep. Scott Garrett (R-NJ)) and passed the House 354/67.

What is funny about a bill that doesn't provide 100% support for the people affected by Hurricane Sandy regardless of who sponsored it. Who was demonized until it was passed. Where is the outrage over the items in that bill that have nothing to do with the Hurricane?
 
What is funny about a bill that doesn't provide 100% support for the people affected by Hurricane Sandy regardless of who sponsored it.
Wait, let me get this....not only are you complaining about the total cost of the bill but you want it to cover "100%" of those effected........while you constantly whine that the federal govt should be minimized and things like this should be handled at the state level!!!??????!!!!!


Who was demonized until it was passed.
The House GOP leadership who required a 2/3 passage requirement.


Where is the outrage over the items in that bill that have nothing to do with the Hurricane?
In your head.
 
The future storm thing sounds like what you folks did to the Post Office. Most of it looks like needed CR business, the only way this House can limp.
Can anyone tell me what bill passed in Congress contained these expense items? Is there any wonder why Conservatives always question proposed spending in the name of compassion?
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

Who knew that the path to socialism was adopting a conservative idea and mandating the purchase of a private product?

What is conservative about that idea?
 
Wait, let me get this....not only are you complaining about the total cost of the bill but you want it to cover "100%" of those effected........while you constantly whine that the federal govt should be minimized and things like this should be handled at the state level!!!??????!!!!!


The House GOP leadership who required a 2/3 passage requirement.


In your head.

Sorry, but this has to be an act,

Regarding Hurricane Sandy, please provide me with your explanation as to why those items were in the bill and why Republicans were demonized for not supporting it? Like all liberals you buy the headlines and never read the story.
 
The future storm thing sounds like what you folks did to the Post Office. Most of it looks like needed CR business, the only way this House can limp.

Yes, we know all those items are Hurricane Sandy related but only in the liberal mind.
 
That subjective. I was simply correcting the facts, that they are a social program and they have no waste or abuse.

The Peace Corps is very much a social program, and a medical program, and an agricultural program, etc., and your post showed no waste or abuse, only whining.
 
But which party had to sign off on themk. I'm sure none of that money found its way to a RED state or RED Cong.Dist.
Yes, we know all those items are Hurricane Sandy related but only in the liberal mind.
 
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