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You could say anything....You'd be laughably wrong....But you could say it...
I wish I was, but I'm not.
You could say anything....You'd be laughably wrong....But you could say it...
Again, you show how little you know. If a bill has a poison pill then the Senate under Democrat Control would remove it but Reid is preventing the bills to get to the floor for debate. That is obstructionist. Harry Reid doesn't want Democrats on the record with any of those bills he is holding up for fear they will cause greater losses in 2014. You simply don't have a clue what you are talking about again
And history shows it didn't work well. If I remember my history right, it was charities who spoke the loudest for needing government help.
That may have been the case in the beginning, before the raiding of these programs that congress did for their own pet projects. However, I would say that today, what we have is a promise that in the long run can not be fulfilled, therefore those generations that come up on the age where they are supposed to reap the benefit of their promise made through out their life, and all the money taken through the force of government may not come to fruition for them, I may be in that category, and I can tell ya, I won't be all too happy when they have forced me my whole life to pay for something that they spent and is now gone because they couldn't keep their hands off it.
But, in any case let me just ask you, if this program would have been based on truly voluntary involvement, would it have succeeded?
You seem to have a vision of a large central govt. providing you everything you want. That never was the purpose of the Federal Govt. and until you understand that you will always lack credibility. All this outrage over business but none over the 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and 17 trillion dollar debt. That says it all about you and other liberals.
Not even close. 3-to-1 on cuts/revenue is not getting all you want Obama. But with all Repup can-di-date loons raising their hand against 10-1, what do you expect? It takes 2 to make 3 as my Air Force Dad used to say. Repups are repulsed at the thought of compromise with RINO Obama.
So you equate UHC with police and fire departments? Wow, really, WOW!
Obama has proposed a 3.77 trillion dollar budget. Is that what you support? The budget bill isn't what Reid is holding up and doesn't address my point. Congress doesn't shutdown the govt, the President does by not signing spending legislation
Quit trying to tell me what have when you can't even follow your own flawed logic. I'm not calling for anything that can't be paid for. And if it's paid for, it doesn't grow the debt.
So how is Obamacare paid for when you have no idea what the costs are. You buy the rhetoric and even ignore the CBO revised estimates. I am still waiting for you to tell us why you have such passion for this issue and what's in it for you? SS and Medicare were paid for too and look how underfunded they are because Congress spent the money
Oh but I do. This getting them on the record manure became an artform of Reagan. We read you. Besides, your team's unprecedented use of the filibuster is already in current history books.
Reid wants to go to conference, Repuppies in the House don't. Stalemate.
Of course we have an idea. And I load out a plan for you. And it left you with more of your money. Remember?
These are good points, as with state and Veterans' pensions. All pols who shorted funds need to be rounded up. All their money needs to be taken. They are to be taken off of their government perks and pensions. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle.SS and Medicare were paid for too and look how underfunded they are because Congress spent the money
You'll have to be more specific.eace
These are good points, as with state and Veterans' pensions. All pols who shorted funds need to be rounded up. All their money needs to be taken. They are to be taken off of their government perks and pensions. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle.
your plan is irrelevant unless you are in this Administration, there are no defined costs of Obamacare only projections and we all have seen how accurate Obama projections have been. Still waiting for why so much passion for Federal Control of your healthcare?
So tell me what legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered that would have prevented 22 million unemployed/under employed TODAY, the 6.3 trillion added to the debt, the stagnant economic growth, the record numbers on food stamps and dependent on the taxpayers? You people simply don't have a clue
Always have. And you no that if your merely read what I've said to you.
Quit trying to tell me what have when you can't even follow your own flawed logic. I'm not calling for anything that can't be paid for. And if it's paid for, it doesn't grow the debt.
The problem is we never hold politicians responsible for raiding designated funds, we just reward them by giving them more money to waste.
How much of that 6.3 trillion you attribute to Obama is due only to inherited interest on budget? How much is from foreign wars he inherited? How much from Tax rates that are still too low? Is the deficit decreasing right now? How much from the Bush bust? Blaming 22 million is over-the-top.
Tell me about it. I'm in the wasteland of an Illinois pension debacle! Do I blame 26 straight years of Repup govs? Or decades of deals they made with Chicago Dem skunks? My TRS has been raided since 1973. Hard to draw interest on money not there.
Nonsense. We can discuss it. Besides, you asked for it.
Interest on the debt is about 225 billion a year and every President has had interest on the debt but normally much higher interest rates. Obama's deficits have added to that debt service with trillion dollar deficits. Tax rates are irrelevant as it is what the govt. collects that matters and the govt. is collecting record tax revenue.
The deficit is still going to exceed 700 billion this year after four straight years of trillion dollar deficits. Bush never had a deficit higher than 500 billion.
It is over 4 years after the end of the recession and the 22 million comes directly from the BLS. Only a true liberal would continue to blame Bush for results over 4 years after he left office. That so called Bush bust is typical leftwing rhetoric.
We can start here:
“Rather than seeing the expansion of welfare as zero sum, where voluntary agencies were the losers, many charities viewed increasing public responsibility, particularly for maintaining a financial safety net, as a relief … They crafted a new voluntary sector based on the provision of specialized, professional services that complemented the material provision of the public sector. This, in turn, led them to become defenders of the welfare programs that helped make it possible for them to offer these new services.” (The Limits of Voluntarism: Charity and Welfare from the New Deal Through the Great Society, Andrew J.F. Morris, Cambridge University Press, New York, 2008)
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