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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Unitedwestand13 said:
For example I looked up one of the forgotton 15

H.R. 910 (112th): Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011

The summary of the title is as follows



Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress H.R. 910) - GovTrack.us

Jobs bill? This sounds like a bill to prevent the EPA from regulating air pollution to me.
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The House needs to withhold funds from the EPA. Anyone writing new regulations needs to go. Anyone who has ever written a regulation needs to go. Anyone harassing conservatives needs to go. Eliminate all funds for travel. Eliminate all enforcement personnel.

Now that would be a jobs bill.
 
Conservative said:
We have state EPA's that should regulate state activity, this is a jobs bill and the EPA is a jobs killer and a Federal overreach
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Not all states share the same enviromental concerns, and they do not always cooperate with other states out of mutual common ground.

Here is another law written along the same grounds

Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress H.R. 2018) - GovTrack.us

To amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to preserve the authority of each State to make determinations relating to the State's water quality standards, and for other purposes.
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Some states share the same sources of water. How can one garrentee the standard water quality if there are 50 different standards
 
Misterveritis said:
The House needs to withhold funds from the EPA. Anyone writing new regulations needs to go. Anyone who has ever written a regulation needs to go. Anyone harassing conservatives needs to go. Eliminate all funds for travel. Eliminate all enforcement personnel.

Now that would be a jobs bill.
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Your state's pollution can enter my state. Can I sue?
 
Conservative said:
With Democrat Support and Democrats had total control from 2007-2010 and expanded it. Where is your outrage?
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I don't particularly like some of them either. Hence the "Centrist".
 
Misterveritis said:
The House needs to withhold funds from the EPA. Anyone writing new regulations needs to go. Anyone who has ever written a regulation needs to go. Anyone harassing conservatives needs to go. Eliminate all funds for travel. Eliminate all enforcement personnel.

Now that would be a jobs bill.
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Why? Don't good Stewards of the environment protect it?
 
Diogenes said:
What ever happened to liberal "tolerance" and "diversity" and the like?
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I'm far from "liberal". I'm just not a Neo Con or Wingnut.
 
ItAin'tFree said:
"I simply". LOL. You linked the Post, Wiki, you did not. It was a slip in.

BTW: Learn to read the articles you link. The Post accounted for defense spending including the war, per year. Once again, Conservative was correct as everybody and their brother knows now. They also know you will pull slick boy crap to avoid facing the truth.
Once you've lost all creditability it doesn't come back with people that have standards. Wiki? Veterans Affairs as Defense Spending? LOL.
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Was the total out lay $1.4 T, just like I said? Yes it was.

Go eat dirt.
 
Boo Radley said:
Why? Don't good Stewards of the environment protect it?
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Do you mistakenly believe the EPA has anything to do with stewardship?

Yes. But not at the expense of the people and the nation. Mother (Earth) worship is so outdated.
 
Misterveritis said:
Do you mistakenly believe the EPA has anything to do with stewardship?

Yes. But not at the expense of the people and the nation. Mother (Earth) worship is so outdated.
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Don't know anything about worship, but what makes you think it's either or? I've posted studies showing its a wash. For jobs lost, jobs are gained. If the jobs stay the same, and the environment is protected, what's the issue?
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't know anything about worship, but what makes you think it's either or? I've posted studies showing its a wash. For jobs lost, jobs are gained. If the jobs stay the same, and the environment is protected, what's the issue?
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Liberty is the biggest issue. For me. Not for you. You have already explained that you don't even consider making a choice the busybody bureaucrats have not pre-approved.

They are a colossal waste of money and a threat to our freedom.
 
Misterveritis said:
Liberty is the biggest issue. For me. Not for you. You have already explained that you don't even consider making a choice the busybody bureaucrats have not pre-approved.

They are a colossal waste of money and a threat to our freedom.
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There's no loss of liberty. You can have sound enipvironmenal laws and not lose liberty. Remember, your rights stop at my nose. And when you poison my water, for example, you've hit my nose.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not sure what you're going on about. But this isn't a single payer system, though I don't appose one. Such a system would be an improvement.
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ObamaKare is causing prices to jump.

Socialist schemes like single payer don't work.

Libs said as a defense and in attempts to deflect what the Sozialists of Amerika (SAPs) were doing... "this isn't single payer"... knowing all along this was the first big leap towards it.
A dishonest political party with deceptive ways of achieving their goal. They can't simply come out and say what they want... they lie and trick their way to our destruction.

Boo... what single payer system, or even better, what socialist scheme has proven successful over the long term?
 
calamity said:
Was the total out lay $1.4 T, just like I said? Yes it was.

Go eat dirt.
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You say it was. The article you linked says no. LOL.

I'll stick with the article. Next time, pay attention to what you link. Maybe you won't make yourself look so stupid.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Not all states share the same enviromental concerns, and they do not always cooperate with other states out of mutual common ground.

Here is another law written along the same grounds

Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress H.R. 2018) - GovTrack.us



Some states share the same sources of water. How can one garrentee the standard water quality if there are 50 different standards
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Do you honestly believe the Federal Govt. is more concerned about the health and safety of the nation's citizens than the state is? The old adage that the GOP wants to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air is misguided making the EPA a jobs killer. Look at the poll numbers of Obama in W. Va. which voted for Obama. Killing the coal industry isn't the way to create jobs.
 
calamity said:
I'm far from "liberal". I'm just not a Neo Con or Wingnut.
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Actually it appears that you are worse, someone who is naive, gullible, and very poorly informed with very selective reasoning skills. When you use the term Neo Con or Wingnut you show your true colors and your inability to really think as you would rather feel and believe what you want to believe.
 
calamity said:
Was the total out lay $1.4 T, just like I said? Yes it was.

Go eat dirt.
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The total budget of the United States was over 3.5 trillion dollars so what is your point? Do you understand what "Provide for the Common Defense" means? Please let me know when you figure it out? Your 200 billion dollar target for defense of this country out of a 3.5 trillion dollars just goes to show how naive you really are. Maybe we could use you to negotiate with radical Islam?
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, Obama couldn't get his own party to agree on legislation and had a filibuster proof Senate part of his first term. Try to focus, why is Harry Reid holding up House passed bills and isn't that being an obstructionist?
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The general libtard view is that demorats are simply standing firm on principle while the republicants are preventing progress by being obstructionists. ;)

This, of course, works both ways - leading to complete gridlock which requires a good leader to break.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The general libtard view is that demorats are simply standing firm on principle while the republicants are preventing progress by being obstructionists. ;)
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Yep, that is pretty much it, compromise to a liberal means giving in to everything they demand and anything less is Obstructionist
 
zimmer said:
ObamaKare is causing prices to jump.

Socialist schemes like single payer don't work.

Libs said as a defense and in attempts to deflect what the Sozialists of Amerika (SAPs) were doing... "this isn't single payer"... knowing all along this was the first big leap towards it.
A dishonest political party with deceptive ways of achieving their goal. They can't simply come out and say what they want... they lie and trick their way to our destruction.

Boo... what single payer system, or even better, what socialist scheme has proven successful over the long term?
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You really should learn a what socialism really is.

However, all of them are paying out less than we are with better access. Don't know if you call that success or not.
 
Boo Radley said:
You really should learn a what socialism really is.

However, all of them are paying out less than we are with better access. Don't know if you call that success or not.
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Here we go again, for you it is all about access but nothing related to service and quality of care. That is typical liberalism
 
Conservative said:
Here we go again, for you it is all about access but nothing related to service and quality of care. That is typical liberalism
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Spot on. With liberals, intent is far more important than the result.
 
Conservative said:
Here we go again, for you it is all about access but nothing related to service and quality of care. That is typical liberalism
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Hardly. Nothing I'm asking for suggests less service or low quality. Don't project.
 
Boo Radley said:
Hardly. Nothing I'm asking for suggests less service or low quality. Don't project.
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That you reject the reports from these other utopia's that you think are out there, where for example, a simple hip replacement has a wait time of 10 months, how many of the other countries have populations of 320 million to deal with?
 
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