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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

The united States is the only country in the world where insurance corporations are allowed to make a profit selling health insurance to human beings.
The rest of humanity view this as largely a moral issue. A minority of Americans support the current system and they are losing ground every day.
Single payer universal coverage is where we are surely headed.
I don't need Harry Reid to know that.
 
calamity said:
You just answered the question--there've been no attacks for years. The Arabs don't have to means to sustain 911 type pressure. We overreacted out of fear, which is understandable. That we kept doing it is not.

I never said the initial response was bad, it's the ongoing WOT that's silly. The patriot act, arming LEO to the hilt, the loss of freedom, the total lockdown in airports and militarization at our southern border, complete with checkpoints along I-10 that snare mostly American citizens carrying a little pot. Those things are nuts.
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Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.
 
LowDown said:
Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.
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Libertarian...right.

I have some elephant repellant you wanna buy it? I can guarantee it works, you'll never be attacked by an elephant as long as you're wearing it.
 
Deuce said:
Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
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and this is why even the most perfect flawless system could never get implemented, fear, the other side will always scare the low information voters, this goes across the board on so many issues. Very hard for big changes like this when so many buy in to the other sides hollow talking points.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Libertarian...right.

I have some elephant repellant you wanna buy it? I can guarantee it works, you'll never be attacked by an elephant as long as you're wearing it.
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Libertarianism isn't a suicide pact. Libertarians do believe in the necessity of national security. Even a flatworm knows enough to turn away from pain, but apparently a lot of progressives don't.
 
bubbabgone said:
  • I fear you're drawing too simplistic a conclusion.
  • Government run healthcare can't possibly make it any better.
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The bolded part sounds parroted. It works very well in many countries which have it. What we currently have does not work very well. Why is that?
 
LowDown said:
Didn't have the means to sustain attacks? All they needed was some men with box cutters. Increasing resistance to that type of attack was what the Patriot Act was all about. You benefitted from the increased security and then used the succcess of counterterrorism to claim that it wasn't necessary.
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More like taking a shotgun to kill a fly. Making the cockpit more secure, sniffing for explosives and preventing people from bringing boxcutters onboard the plane probably would have sufficed. Going on a global campaign to root out terror cells seems rather unnecessary to me.
 
Buck Ewer said:
The united States is the only country in the world where insurance corporations are allowed to make a profit selling health insurance to human beings.
The rest of humanity view this as largely a moral issue. A minority of Americans support the current system and they are losing ground every day.
Single payer universal coverage is where we are surely headed.
I don't need Harry Reid to know that.
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then if the rest of world is so much better the the US then move no one is stopping you. What makes the US better then the rest of the world is because we are not like the rest of the world
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Tort is a small issue blown way out of proportion by most people who advocate for its reform.
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Disagreed. I had no insurance when my older daughter was born, and she cost me a grand total of $300 (prenatal, delivery, 5 days in the hospital, and a 30-day checkup). At that time, this cost was equal to (a) 240 hours at the minimum wage of $1.20, or (b) three months rent on a nice brick one-bedroom apartment within walking distance of the campus, or (c) 5% of the starting wages of a freshly minted engineer. When that baby girl graduated from medical school, she wanted to be an ObGyn but her liability insurance premiums would have been $100,000 per year, so she chose a different specialty. When my youngest grandson was born, the three comparison values I cited above would have dictated a cost of $1500-$1800 before insurance; the actual bill before insurance was over $11,000 and that tells me that something north of 85% of the bill is being diverted to something besides the care of the patient being billed.
 
Deuce said:
Talk about corporate worship. As if lawsuits weren't already heavily stacked in favor of big business.
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If you think corporations are bad, just wait until you meet the government.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Libertarian...right.

I have some elephant repellant you wanna buy it? I can guarantee it works, you'll never be attacked by an elephant as long as you're wearing it.
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What I really need is jackass repellent. I've never been attacked by an elephant, but the jackasses are a real problem.
 
trfjr said:
then if the rest of world is so much better the the US then move no one is stopping you. What makes the US better then the rest of the world is because we are not like the rest of the world
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A lower standard of humanity makes us better?
That is a ****ed up view.
 
calamity said:
Why do Right Wingers want us to be more backwards than other industrial nations? That's the real question, IMO.
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The answer is simple. We have no interest in being subjects of the rulers in Washington. You see that as backwards because you are a statist. I see the right to be left alone as essential. I am not part of your collective.
 
Misterveritis said:
The answer is simple. We have no interest in being subjects of the rulers in Washington. You see that as backwards because you are a statist. I see the right to be left alone as essential. I am not part of your collective.
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Perhaps you need to take trfjr's view and leave. YOU are in the minority.
 
Maybe people will eventually see that it is insurance and pharmaceutical companies that make the cost of healthcare so high.
 
Buck Ewer said:
The united States is the only country in the world where insurance corporations are allowed to make a profit selling health insurance to human beings.
The rest of humanity view this as largely a moral issue. A minority of Americans support the current system and they are losing ground every day.
Single payer universal coverage is where we are surely headed.
I don't need Harry Reid to know that.
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I am ready for that fight.

We can turn this around. We no longer need to put up with the monsters in Washington who have usurped the Constitution. The fight to return to a Constitutional form of government will be hard. Your days are numbered. Enjoy them while you can.
 
polisciguy said:
Maybe people will eventually see that it is insurance and pharmaceutical companies that make the cost of healthcare so high.
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...and that historically we have valued corporate freedom to gouge a profit more than we have valued the health of our fellow human beings.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Perhaps you need to take trfjr's view and leave. YOU are in the minority.
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Enjoy your twilight years. Liberalism, progressivism, socialism, statism and Marxism will lose. For too long we have allowed you to rebel and overthrow the Constitution. No more.

I look forward to your certain demise.
 
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