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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't believe that's true. I really don't.
    What you personally believe doesn't make it a fact.

    Patients will get the care one way or another, and we'll all pay for it one way or another.
    What kind of idiotic statement is this? Talk about not having a clue...Good God!

    We have an aging population right now, which is a problem.
    Yeah, those darned old people, they should just die off, and save us the money....

    And there are a few places where heroic or excessive means can be avoided. And a well educated elderly might even take it upon themselves to limit some of the more questionable efforts.
    OMG! I was joking in the sentence above, but that is what you want....That's sick.

    But eventually that tide will turn.
    Until you become old.

    I'm suggesting we can do a better job if we plan better, institute some mechanism to monitor and adjust to meet to need. Our ad hoc efforts have been very expensive. I think we can do better.
    Centralized government never does a better job at anything.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Some are even more partisan than they are racist. It's like the "D" staring them in the face gets them twisted into knots and they suddenly see Marxists and Socialists, even when the D happens to be your run of the mill corporatist. Funny, actually, to those of us watching you/.
    Unfortunately to a lot of people the "D" stands for dependence created by the politicians that have a "D" after their name. Too bad you cannot see that. I grew up supporting the "D" candidates until I realized that all that spending in the name of compassion was being wasted and spent on everything other than compassionate programs. The only compassion generated was for the politicians who bought votes.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It address a problem, one the states failed to address.
    If the states failed to address the problem whose fault is that. Only a liberal wants to legislate stupidity which is universal healthcare on a national scale with Federal Govt. oversight, the same oversight that has generated a 17 trillion dollar debt

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Of course we can, I think we're just disagreeing how painless or painful it will be to do significantly better.

    Very simply put, either consumers control the cost or government does. There is no third way. For consumers to control cost, the system would have to be cash only. Denial of care and all that. Even most conservatives reject that, although it would be the absolute best for cost controls. Ushering in UHC is a statement to government "we can't bear to control these costs ourselves, you must do it for us," which means we place our faith in the prudence of our political class.
    I don't see government that way. I see us using government as a tool with which to control both access and costs.

    But you're right about denial of care. Few are willing to do that, which makes many if the market solutions ineffective.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What you personally believe doesn't make it a fact.



    What kind of idiotic statement is this? Talk about not having a clue...Good God!



    Yeah, those darned old people, they should just die off, and save us the money....



    OMG! I was joking in the sentence above, but that is what you want....That's sick.



    Until you become old.



    Centralized government never does a better job at anything.
    You may want to read it all together. You clearly don't know what I'm saying. Not only that, it wasn't in response to you, so he you were joking comment suggests your misreading my be because you mistook it as a reply to you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Ft Hood was an American Citizen, born in the USA. Boston was one American citizen and his nutcase registered alien brother.

    The enemy is within. Better start locking up all the brown skins
    Not the brown skins - that's what liberals do, judge people by skin color. Instead, neutralize the nutcases that want to impose Sharia law. Like MLK proposed, judge them by the content of their character (or lack thereof).
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    My gut says no on Hillary, throwing the whole thing wide open, especially for CC. This religion you speak of has taken over the whole show west of the Keystone states. For example, Mormon inroads are turning Oregon to light blue and soon to toss-up. All other western states are influenced, as with Prop 8.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    In their effort to unseat the Black man with that funny name, they rallied around a flip-flopping vulture capitalist from a religion which is even kookier than the evangelical young earth society. So, those various factions will all form a truce by 2016, because evil incarnate will be on the Democratic ticket.

    ...and, it'll be even worse, if Hillary is the nominee.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    You tell me. You're obviously the expert on where all the money goes. I'll listen to a learned conservative like your neighbor in OK, Sen. Coburn. He's sick of you TEAloons downgrading the economy and threatening more lunacy. R is for Repulsive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Good Lord, people, the 842 billion dollar stimulus program was for infrastructure and every time you fill up with gasoline you pay for the roads and bridges in the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel. Where is all that money going? Think about it

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You tell me. You're obviously the expert on where all the money goes. I'll listen to a learned conservative like your neighbor in OK, Sen. Coburn. He's sick of you TEAloons downgrading the economy and threatening more lunacy. R is for Repulsive.
    Obviously you want to continue to spout DNC talking points rhetoric and ignore reality. R is for repulsive is something I would expect from an uneducated liberal. Would that be you? It isn't Republicans downgrading the economy, it is Obama's community agitator background lacking in leadership skills that is doing it all by himself.

    Get the facts on ARRA and tell me how much was spent on infrastructure and how the program was sold? Does Shovel ready jobs mean anything to you?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obviously you want to continue to spout DNC talking points rhetoric and ignore reality. R is for repulsive is something I would expect from an uneducated liberal. Would that be you?
    You may want to look back on your own spew in post #892 where you trashed the D word first before throwing your continued stones from your glass house.
    It isn't Republicans downgrading the economy, it is Obama's community agitator background lacking in leadership skills that is doing it all by himself.

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    Agitator background is sheer lunacy and removes you from serious politics, no matter how many posts you have. Your seething hatred for Obama and anyone not right-of-center can'tor be controlled.

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