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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Speaking of low information voters, you sure have bought the right-wing fearmongering regarding how single-payer works!
    Ok, so how do the incentives in single payer work? You can start by explaining exactly how doctors, when paid by the government, will still work hard and long to keep their patients healthy.

    Can you show us examples of how that works?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Attacking what you say is not a personal attack...
    I am truly sorry that you feel it necessary to continue to take this line. Not once in this thread have you even approached addressing anything I have posted, yet your truly bitchy approach to me and others is not without notice. Just save yourself the energy in posting to me anymore, for I will not answer unless you have something to actually debate, and in a civil way....Have a nice day.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Water is a public resource. If you want privatized water, see how well that worked out for Texas.
    A Texan tragedy: Plenty of oil, but no water | The Raw Story
    How would government involvement in the water supply of small towns have changed the fact that they had water shortages during a drought? Where does government get the water? The moon?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    So then ... just to level-set ... from your list ... we have ...

    1. GW
    2. Islamofacism seeking to destroy the West
    3. Obamacare
    4. Unions


    Where do you stand on those?
    1. GW obviously is real and happening at a rapid pace
    2. Islamofascism is about as much of a threat to the West as gout. It's an annoyance. Period.
    3. I prefer Single Payer, universal healthcare.
    4. Depends. Some aspects of unions are good; others not so much.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    How would government involvement in the water supply of small towns have changed the fact that they had water shortages during a drought? Where does government get the water? The moon?
    I believe the water was all extracted to feed the oil industry. Drought made the situation worse.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1. GW obviously is real and happening at a rapid pace
    2. Islamofascism is about as much of a threat to the West as gout. It's an annoyance. Period.
    3. I prefer Single Payer, universal healthcare.
    4. Depends. Some aspects of unions are good; others not so much.
    So how do you see those as "Centrist" ideals?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So how do you see those as "Centrist" ideals?
    1 & 2 are simply common sense facts.
    3 is subject to debate, but it works well in Western Europe, Japan and Taiwan---none of which are exactly socialist states.
    4. is also factual, and a rather neutral position.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    1 & 2 are simply common sense facts.
    3 is subject to debate, but it works well in Western Europe, Japan and Taiwan---none of which are exactly socialist states.
    4. is also factual, and a rather neutral position.

    I disagree, well, with 1&2 anyway....
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Ok, so how do the incentives in single payer work? You can start by explaining exactly how doctors, when paid by the government, will still work hard and long to keep their patients healthy.

    Can you show us examples of how that works?
    This is how it doesn't work. And nobody got fired for it, either. Even after four years, it still outrages me that this could happen to any child in this country.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I find it very hard to judge Obamacare's implications. It is just too much legal verbiage and I have not seen any economic modelling.

    I have looked at different systems and must say, that the USA has been paying rather a lot per head with not really terrific results on averages. I compared Germany as the archetype social system at one point with the US as the other end of the spectrum. I was surprised by some of the results.
    The US spends almost double, what Germany does per head of the population, when you add public and private spending together. When you consider the number of insured the US social system spends much more per head on the poor and aged than Germany.
    The German system also has lower quality (so say a number of well placed doctors in Germany like a friend, who runs a very large university hospital complex and another, who runs the pediatric hospital at another university) medical treatment in most areas. If you want top treatment go to Switzerland or the US. So they tell me.
    Another problem, I am told, is with MRSA. It is worse than in the States and in fact with 30.000 deaths a year is so bad, that you cannot easily transfer patients from a German public hospital to a Dutch one, because Holland does not want the risk that entails.
    I know Germany. Germany's healthcare system sucks.

    I've posted an article here from Der Spiegel a couple times where the MD talks openly about the need to ration. The system is broke, like typical socialist schemes.

    A friend of mine left Germany because he didn't make money. He was barely managing. He went to Switzerland, and has a booming practice.

    One question. What has government ever done that is complex and efficient?
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