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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The sky isn't falling. And frankly, if you can't afford it, you can't in. So, your solution to not having access is to not have access. Now that's logic for you. We'll adjust for any shortage, as we always have. but simply denying access to begin with isn't exactly a fix jr.
    Access is not the problem, it is a distraction from the problem.

    If we expand access, we make the problem of cost-containment that much more difficult. It's possible to expand access but put big constraints on cost in other ways, but it would not be easy, and some folks would get screwed over compared to what they're used to. Such is the nature of cost-containment. The idea we can make access universal and fix the cost problem simultaneously and everyone will be happy about it is delusional.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Good Lord, people, the 842 billion dollar stimulus program was for infrastructure and every time you fill up with gasoline you pay for the roads and bridges in the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel. Where is all that money going? Think about it
    Good point. The year before the I-35 bridge collapsed in Minneapolis, the state of Minnesota spent $1.6 billion on transportation. Of that amount, just over $1 billion was spent on high speed rail instead of repairing existing infrastructure.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As a point of fact, they have not taken it over. That's just a fact. Nor are they micromanaging. We really should tone down the hyperbole.
    Yet....
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nevermind we're chasing ignorant fanatics who are operating as if they are still in the 16th century. We could probably hold them off with a kindergarten class's lunch money.
    Are you aware of the events of 9/11? Have you ever heard of Ft. Hood? Do you know where Boston is? Those ignorant fanatics are chasing us, and we need to become much more aggressive in helping them achieve their goal of becoming martyrs.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Got it, people who believe results matter are racists. People like you need to learn to think with the brain God gave you
    Some are even more partisan than they are racist. It's like the "D" staring them in the face gets them twisted into knots and they suddenly see Marxists and Socialists, even when the D happens to be your run of the mill corporatist. Funny, actually, to those of us watching you/.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!

    Dude...you played just about every card in the liberal arsenal. I think you shot your wad way too soon.
    Translation: I can't directly point out any errors in what he said, so I'll just make an Ad hominem comment.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Are you aware of the events of 9/11? Have you ever heard of Ft. Hood? Do you know where Boston is? Those ignorant fanatics are chasing us, and we need to become much more aggressive in helping them achieve their goal of becoming martyrs.
    Ft Hood was an American Citizen, born in the USA. Boston was one American citizen and his nutcase registered alien brother.

    The enemy is within. Better start locking up all the brown skins

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So, if the sky isn't falling why implement a Federal Healthcare program that puts control of all that money in the hands of the bureaucrats in D.C.? You see, you believe bureaucrats adjust when the reality is bureaucrats only spend more money. What was Medicare and SS supposed to cost?

    You are someone who wants universal access thus supports universal fraud, waste, and abuse. If you truly want access then you would work within your own state to assure access for the people of your state but no, you want the Federal Govt. to create another massive entitlement program all because you cannot get the people of your state to do what you want them to do. You want to force people who don't want insurance to have it and would implement a massive bureaucratic program to do that. I call that irresponsible but I guess choice only matters when it comes to murdering a baby.
    It address a problem, one the states failed to address.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I think most conservatives aren't opposed to any particular solution. Rather, I think they are opposed to the liberal desire for the central government to impose a solution. One size fits all never works and almost always makes things worse for the majority.

    Now...if you, in your State or community, want some sort of Obamacare clone, then have at it. But don't make the rest of the country follow your desires. After all, that's what America is all about.

    On the other hand, if you really must have your one size fits all, central government mandated heath care system, then there are plenty of other countries who are happy to accommodate you.
    I'm not sure that's true, but I'll address it. It doesn't have to be one size fits all. Nor do I think it really is. Even if we moved to a single payer system, health professionals are still free to practice as they see fit. All we really have right now are some specific guidelines, most of which are reasonable.

    And if we do adopt such a system, you may be able to find a country that you can move to.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Access is not the problem, it is a distraction from the problem.

    If we expand access, we make the problem of cost-containment that much more difficult. It's possible to expand access but put big constraints on cost in other ways, but it would not be easy, and some folks would get screwed over compared to what they're used to. Such is the nature of cost-containment. The idea we can make access universal and fix the cost problem simultaneously and everyone will be happy about it is delusional.
    I disagree. Access is a problem. And frankly, if the solution to cost is denying adequate care, I'd say we've already lost the battle. So, yes, you can denote specific cares that are necessary to public health, structure care so that there is universal access, and plan how to pay for it. This can be done. And by not doing it at an ad hoc sloppy unstructured way, we can better adjust to costs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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