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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    Like I said, health care cost growth has slowed down across the entire economy, it isn't just Medicare. Medicare's unprecedentedly slow growth right now is part of something larger.

    Reform did find savings in Medicare, some from cutting excess subsidies to the private insurers who participate in Medicare Advantage and some from slowing the growth of reimbursements in traditional Medicare over the next decade. But the idea behind the latter is that this reflects an adjustment to account for productivity growth, which is something the rest of the Medicare (and other health care-oriented) reforms in the law are supposed to help achieve. That's the kind of structural change to care delivery I mentioned before.

    However, that slowing of Medicare growth is called for in law, meaning it's been part of the CBO's baseline since that became law in the spring of 2010. The constant revisions downward for Medicare spending they've had to do in each subsequent budget picture they've put out since then are above and beyond anything they expected under existing law. The duration and depth of the health care slowdown has caught them by surprise. And it's been helping out the deficit picture.
    I think you would find this article helpful in explaining the declining cost of health care:

    We have done it. We have decreased the increase in the cost of health care. Let us explain. For three decades (1980-2009), the cost of health care has been increasing each year at an average rate of 7.4 percent -- double the rate of inflation. However, over the past three years, the increase in health care expenditure has remained at a low 3.1 percent. Is this decline the desperately-needed bend in the health care cost curve, or just the impact of the depressed economy?
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If you would have said Coolidge for the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover bust, I would have agreed. See how ridiculous this revision is. At least we know when corruption started in Chicago/Illinois. With Repubs in the roaring 20's.
    Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Repubs controlled the General Assembly during part of the 1990's when just-released from jail and former Repub gov. George Ryan was in power. In 1991, Edgar back-loaded the pension fix until 2045. Ryan did away with the death penalty. He did a better job funding pensions.
    In case you missed it, it is 2013 and Illinois has among the highest taxes in the nation and is in one of the worst shapes economically. Do Democrats ever take responsibility for their own failures? I'll bet you think Illinois has a revenue problem but not a spending problem.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    I loved Richard B. Ogilvie. Signed a General Assembly tuition scholarship for state scholars to enter needed teaching fields like chem/physics. Sat over the Consti. Conv. But he signed in the 1st state income tax, which Dems demagogued him with. Walker was NOT a Chicago Dem, but later he was a crook.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 08-18-13 at 07:20 PM.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    OKay. And I'll bet you think all of these bad things happening because of Obama federally and Illinois at the state level happened overnight when Dems took over. Back to the future revision.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    In case you missed it, it is 2013 and Illinois has among the highest taxes in the nation and is in one of the worst shapes economically. Do Democrats ever take responsibility for their own failures? I'll bet you think Illinois has a revenue problem but not a spending problem.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I loved Richard B. Ogilvie. Signed a General Assembly tuition scholarship for state scholars to enter needed teaching fields like chem/physics. Sat over the Consti. Conv. But he signed in the 1st state income tax, which Dems demagogued him with. Walker was NOT a Chicaqgo Dem, but later he was a crook.
    Ogilvie was my favorite as well.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    If you only knew half the garbage Big Jerk Thompson pulled when making deals with Dem Chicago crooks, not the type that current Gov. Quinn is BTW.

    His pension is now more than he made as governor, thanks to a compound COLA bill he signed while in office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    OKay. And I'll bet you think all of these bad things happening because of Obama federally and Illinois at the state level happened overnight when Dems took over. Back to the future revision.
    Name for me an Obama economic prediction that has been accurate and which legislation he wanted that the didn't get that would have made things better? I blame Obama for zero leadership skills and the results back up that claim. A leader accepts the hand he is dealt and plays it. Obama took the hand, blames Bush and everyone else for his own failures. Rather than playing golf and going on vacations he should have called Congress into session and met with the legislators until an agreement is made. Obama is a community agitator and may be the most divisive President we have ever had and that is saying something.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All that list effect the community. If you follow he history you will see that each change was brought in response to what the community couldn't live with. I'll and injured people living without care was rightly unacceptable. Seeing the elderly suffering in poverty was also unacceptable. The culture of th time did not prevent this. People working through government made it better.
    There's something going on with this post that makes it difficult to understand.

    From what I can gather, you are apparently trying to base public policy off of what we find psychologically acceptable or unacceptable, which usually makes sense, but sometimes it doesn't. When we see one person violating another's rights, we find it to be unacceptable, and it's reasonable to make laws against one person abusing another. When it comes to death and dying, we get really sensitive and sometimes not rational. For example, a dying person, or the loved ones of a dying person, might feel entitled to any and all amount of money and effort on the part of others to save the life, because they don't want to die or don't want the other person to die. This is psychologically somewhat normal (to cling to life), but that doesn't mean it's rational of financially workable.

    We simply cannot entitle people to unlimited resources of others the moment they hit a desperate circumstance, and this is because 100% of us eventually hit a desperate circumstance.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Then tell us just exactly how this imaginary UHC, that you seem to favor so much, would be funded. Otherwise it can be assumed that, like PPACA, it would be phased in (over ? years) and so complex that no cost estimate can last more than a few months.
    I have. And I've even linked a version.


    http://www.pnhp.org/publications/payingnotgetting.pdf

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