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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
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    Illinois is an absolute disaster and always has been due mostly to Chicago. Spent 14 years in Indianapolis and spent a lot of time in Chicago, what a corrupt city. Too bad it isn't more like the rest of the state. We have a Chicago corrupt politician in the WH now and liberals still love him

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    NIMBY;1062203448]In the way you discard the words, "Bush bust is typical left wing rhetoric", I disagree. All bar graphs show the economic collapse occurring late 2008/early 2009. I sympathize with McCain pausing his campaign. These disasters take time to overcome.
    Disasters are overstated in a free enterprise society especially by people who don't understand how our economy works. We had a worse disaster in 80-82 that was handled by leadership and Obama doesn't have any leadership skills.

    As long as you sling Obama, there will be revision arguments. As long as the two parties cannot come to any agreement, we will not improve enough. As a Dem, how do I work with a Repub party that cannot form its own opinion? They play silly games arguing over the "Hastert" rule.
    As long as Obama generates the kind of results he has, he is ripe for criticism except to his followers. I don't know how anyone can be a Democrat today with the party of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, none of whom understand the role of the Federal Govt. I was a JFK Democrat and he understood how our economy works, today's Democrat Party doesn't seem to have a clue and simply buys votes by demonizing the opposition and creating dependence.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
    What complete, blithering nonsense. Like blaming Calvin Coolidge for 9/11.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    And so does C. Christie. CC is happy to have received help from the feds. He should just withhold fed taxes on NJ until he breaks even. Rank Paul's state would get hurt by that. On disaster relief, I part company with Sen. Coburn. He is not perfect. Neither is CC. But they're two of the better repubs.
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    Illinois is an absolute disaster and always has been due mostly to Chicago. Spent 14 years in Indianapolis and spent a lot of time in Chicago, what a corrupt city. Too bad it isn't more like the rest of the state. We have a Chicago corrupt politician in the WH now and liberals still love him

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
    And Democrats have taken it to a new level. Democrats have been in the Governor's office for the past 10 years and the legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat since taking power in 1990

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And so does C. Christie. CC is happy to have received help from the feds. He should just withhold fed taxes on NJ until he breaks even. Rank Paul's state would get hurt by that. On disaster relief, I part company with Sen. Coburn. He is not perfect. Neither is CC. But they're two of the better repubs.
    It is the role of the Governors to fight for Federal dollars some of which comes from the taxpayers of their state when there is a disaster or a handout by the Federal Govt. Why shouldn't they fight for the dollars that are going to be spent anyway?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    If you would have said Coolidge for the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover bust, I would have agreed. See how ridiculous this revision is. At least we know when corruption started in Chicago/Illinois. With Repubs in the roaring 20's.
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    What complete, blithering nonsense. Like blaming Calvin Coolidge for 9/11.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hope your right, but are we sure this isn't just due to reducing the payouts to doctors, and services by government force? I mean that would have the same effect short term no? But in the long run would prove to be just a cosmetic fix.
    Like I said, health care cost growth has slowed down across the entire economy, it isn't just Medicare. Medicare's unprecedentedly slow growth right now is part of something larger.

    Reform did find savings in Medicare, some from cutting excess subsidies to the private insurers who participate in Medicare Advantage and some from slowing the growth of reimbursements in traditional Medicare over the next decade. But the idea behind the latter is that this reflects an adjustment to account for productivity growth, which is something the rest of the Medicare (and other health care-oriented) reforms in the law are supposed to help achieve. That's the kind of structural change to care delivery I mentioned before.

    However, that slowing of Medicare growth is called for in law, meaning it's been part of the CBO's baseline since that became law in the spring of 2010. The constant revisions downward for Medicare spending they've had to do in each subsequent budget picture they've put out since then are above and beyond anything they expected under existing law. The duration and depth of the health care slowdown has caught them by surprise. And it's been helping out the deficit picture.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Why would Repubs deny citizens help after natural disasters? It didn't happen under Reagan or either Bush, though some might argue Katrina. Penny-wise and pound-foolish is the Repub House/Senate filibuster from 2011 that denies immediate help. And certainly not American or Patriotic.
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    It is the role of the Governors to fight for Federal dollars much of which comes from the taxpayers of their state when there is a disaster or a handout by the Federal Govt. Why shouldn't they fight for the dollars that are going to be spent anyway?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Repubs controlled the General Assembly during part of the 1990's when just-released from jail and former Repub gov. George Ryan was in power. In 1991, Edgar back-loaded the pension fix until 2045. Ryan did away with the death penalty. He did a better job funding pensions.
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    And Democrats have taken it to a new level. Democrats have been in the Governor's office for the past 10 years and the legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat since taking power in 1990

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