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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    your plan is irrelevant unless you are in this Administration, there are no defined costs of Obamacare only projections and we all have seen how accurate Obama projections have been. Still waiting for why so much passion for Federal Control of your healthcare?
    Nonsense. We can discuss it. Besides, you asked for it.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    How much of that 6.3 trillion you attribute to Obama is due only to inherited interest on budget? How much is from foreign wars he inherited? How much from Tax rates that are still too low? Is the deficit decreasing right now? How much from the Bush bust? Blaming 22 million is over-the-top.
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    So tell me what legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered that would have prevented 22 million unemployed/under employed TODAY, the 6.3 trillion added to the debt, the stagnant economic growth, the record numbers on food stamps and dependent on the taxpayers? You people simply don't have a clue

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Always have. And you no that if your merely read what I've said to you.
    Of course you have which just goes to show how civics challenged you are. If this isn't an act, I really do fear from you and your family. Guess that is the liberal in me.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quit trying to tell me what have when you can't even follow your own flawed logic. I'm not calling for anything that can't be paid for. And if it's paid for, it doesn't grow the debt.
    Then tell us just exactly how this imaginary UHC, that you seem to favor so much, would be funded. Otherwise it can be assumed that, like PPACA, it would be phased in (over ? years) and so complex that no cost estimate can last more than a few months.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Tell me about it. I'm in the wasteland of an Illinois pension debacle! Do I blame 26 straight years of Repup govs? Or decades of deals they made with Chicago Dem skunks? My TRS has been raided since 1973. Hard to draw interest on money not there.
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    The problem is we never hold politicians responsible for raiding designated funds, we just reward them by giving them more money to waste.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    How much of that 6.3 trillion you attribute to Obama is due only to inherited interest on budget? How much is from foreign wars he inherited? How much from Tax rates that are still too low? Is the deficit decreasing right now? How much from the Bush bust? Blaming 22 million is over-the-top.
    Interest on the debt is about 225 billion a year and every President has had interest on the debt but normally much higher interest rates. Obama's deficits have added to that debt service with trillion dollar deficits. Tax rates are irrelevant as it is what the govt. collects that matters and the govt. is collecting record tax revenue.

    The deficit is still going to exceed 700 billion this year after four straight years of trillion dollar deficits. Bush never had a deficit higher than 500 billion.

    It is over 4 years after the end of the recession and the 22 million comes directly from the BLS. Only a true liberal would continue to blame Bush for results over 4 years after he left office. That so called Bush bust is typical leftwing rhetoric.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Tell me about it. I'm in the wasteland of an Illinois pension debacle! Do I blame 26 straight years of Repup govs? Or decades of deals they made with Chicago Dem skunks? My TRS has been raided since 1973. Hard to draw interest on money not there.
    Illinois is an absolute disaster and always has been due mostly to Chicago. Spent 14 years in Indianapolis and spent a lot of time in Chicago, what a corrupt city. Too bad it isn't more like the rest of the state. We have a Chicago corrupt politician in the WH now and liberals still love him

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nonsense. We can discuss it. Besides, you asked for it.
    Why would I ask you for YOUR plan? OBamacare is the plan and for some reason you want to give the govt. a bigger slush fund

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    In the way you discard the words, "Bush bust is typical left wing rhetoric", I disagree. All bar graphs show the economic collapse occurring late 2008/early 2009. I sympathize with McCain pausing his campaign. These disasters take time to overcome.

    As long as you sling Obama, there will be revision arguments. As long as the two parties cannot come to any agreement, we will not improve enough. As a Dem, how do I work with a Repub party that cannot form its own opinion? They play silly games arguing over the "Hastert" rule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Interest on the debt is about 225 billion a year and every President has had interest on the debt but normally much higher interest rates. Obama's deficits have added to that debt service with trillion dollar deficits. Tax rates are irrelevant as it is what the govt. collects that matters and the govt. is collecting record tax revenue.

    The deficit is still going to exceed 700 billion this year after four straight years of trillion dollar deficits. Bush never had a deficit higher than 500 billion.

    It is over 4 years after the end of the recession and the 22 million comes directly from the BLS. Only a true liberal would continue to blame Bush for results over 4 years after he left office. That so called Bush bust is typical leftwing rhetoric.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    We can start here:

    “Rather than seeing the expansion of welfare as zero sum, where voluntary agencies were the losers, many charities viewed increasing public responsibility, particularly for maintaining a financial safety net, as a relief … They crafted a new voluntary sector based on the provision of specialized, professional services that complemented the material provision of the public sector. This, in turn, led them to become defenders of the welfare programs that helped make it possible for them to offer these new services.” (The Limits of Voluntarism: Charity and Welfare from the New Deal Through the Great Society, Andrew J.F. Morris, Cambridge University Press, New York, 2008)

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