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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Not even close. 3-to-1 on cuts/revenue is not getting all you want Obama. But with all Repup can-di-date loons raising their hand against 10-1, what do you expect? It takes 2 to make 3 as my Air Force Dad used to say. Repups are repulsed at the thought of compromise with RINO Obama.
    Obama has proposed a 3.77 trillion dollar budget. Is that what you support? The budget bill isn't what Reid is holding up and doesn't address my point. Congress doesn't shutdown the govt, the President does by not signing spending legislation

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you equate UHC with police and fire departments? Wow, really, WOW!
    Always have. And you no that if your merely read what I've said to you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    If the spending legislation never comes out of the House, which I give about a 40% chance, how does the President not sign it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Obama has proposed a 3.77 trillion dollar budget. Is that what you support? The budget bill isn't what Reid is holding up and doesn't address my point. Congress doesn't shutdown the govt, the President does by not signing spending legislation

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quit trying to tell me what have when you can't even follow your own flawed logic. I'm not calling for anything that can't be paid for. And if it's paid for, it doesn't grow the debt.
    So how is Obamacare paid for when you have no idea what the costs are. You buy the rhetoric and even ignore the CBO revised estimates. I am still waiting for you to tell us why you have such passion for this issue and what's in it for you? SS and Medicare were paid for too and look how underfunded they are because Congress spent the money

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    So how is Obamacare paid for when you have no idea what the costs are. You buy the rhetoric and even ignore the CBO revised estimates. I am still waiting for you to tell us why you have such passion for this issue and what's in it for you? SS and Medicare were paid for too and look how underfunded they are because Congress spent the money

    Of course we have an idea. And I load out a plan for you. And it left you with more of your money. Remember?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Oh but I do. This getting them on the record manure became an artform of Reagan. We read you. Besides, your team's unprecedented use of the filibuster is already in current history books.

    Reid wants to go to conference, Repuppies in the House don't. Stalemate.
    So tell me what legislation did Obama want that the GOP filibustered that would have prevented 22 million unemployed/under employed TODAY, the 6.3 trillion added to the debt, the stagnant economic growth, the record numbers on food stamps and dependent on the taxpayers? You people simply don't have a clue

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course we have an idea. And I load out a plan for you. And it left you with more of your money. Remember?
    your plan is irrelevant unless you are in this Administration, there are no defined costs of Obamacare only projections and we all have seen how accurate Obama projections have been. Still waiting for why so much passion for Federal Control of your healthcare?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    SS and Medicare were paid for too and look how underfunded they are because Congress spent the money
    These are good points, as with state and Veterans' pensions. All pols who shorted funds need to be rounded up. All their money needs to be taken. They are to be taken off of their government perks and pensions. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You'll have to be more specific.
    We can start here:

    “Rather than seeing the expansion of welfare as zero sum, where voluntary agencies were the losers, many charities viewed increasing public responsibility, particularly for maintaining a financial safety net, as a relief … They crafted a new voluntary sector based on the provision of specialized, professional services that complemented the material provision of the public sector. This, in turn, led them to become defenders of the welfare programs that helped make it possible for them to offer these new services.” (The Limits of Voluntarism: Charity and Welfare from the New Deal Through the Great Society, Andrew J.F. Morris, Cambridge University Press, New York, 2008)

    Chapter 5: Depression Era Further Defines Movement (1930s) | Alliance1

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    These are good points, as with state and Veterans' pensions. All pols who shorted funds need to be rounded up. All their money needs to be taken. They are to be taken off of their government perks and pensions. There are plenty on both sides of the aisle.
    The problem is we never hold politicians responsible for raiding designated funds, we just reward them by giving them more money to waste.

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