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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Ponzi schemes always look wonderful until the jig is up.
    It's not what it is. That too is just more partisan nonsense.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm nit defending Obama. I'm talking about a single payer system. Government isn't a business. It isn't designed to make profit, but to serve the people. People create governments to handle larger problems. Problems change overtime, but role is the same. In our system government functions under the will of the governed. We can vote anyone out. The thing I dislike is losers demonize the winners far too much.

    But, the point is in this discussion is that we as a people improved the lot of the elderly by working through government.
    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.
    People used to view the Fire Department that way too.
    Back when Fire Insurance used to mean they'd come put out your fire if you paid in advance.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Not at all. The post office is required to come up with more than matching funds for a 75-year spread. Just the opposite from Illinois, where both parties intentionally underfunded since a 1973 law. Nice cheap shot though on IL. You would do well to hold your nose and vote for Christie.[QUOTE=Jack Hays;1062202945]
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    As I understand it, all the Congress did in 2006 was compel the Post Office to actually fund the pension obligations to which they were already committed. Seems wise to me. Otherwise you get Detroit or -- coming soon -- Illinois.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.
    No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    NO. it is there only when you need it. I think you still need the food you mentioned every day. Totally different measurable of the economy. Different fluidities. Why do you Cons on health-care run away from the Car Insurance example and connection. Should I pay for the medical bills of uninsured on purpose?
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    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    [QUOTE=NIMBY;1062202997]Not at all. The post office is required to come up with more than matching funds for a 75-year spread. Just the opposite from Illinois, where both parties intentionally underfunded since a 1973 law. Nice cheap shot though on IL. You would do well to hold your nose and vote for Christie.

    And are those Post Office matching funds not intended to compensate for earlier underfunding? My post was not meant as a cheap shot on Illinois, just a statement of fact, and I blame both parties. That situation is different from Detroit, where Dems & unions have 100% of the responsibility.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
    At some point in our lives we are going to utilize healthcare in some shape form or fashion no matter what. Why people don't want to figure out a better way to fund this I don't know.

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    Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
    It is nothing like you describe, although I understand the advocacy to turn it into this. It would be a revolutionary change to turn it into a communal service.

    Emergency response to accident/injury may seem communal akin to police and fire, but the hundreds of billions spent on end of life comfort care, symptom management, prescription drugs, etc.? No that is not communal.

    Health insurance is not even really insurance (ie it breaks all the rules that make insurance workable) and that is why it has failed.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
    Public health is not individual health care. Nice try. I pay for police and fire, but I'm responsible to lock my doors and eliminate fire hazards.
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