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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Seems to me that you claimed Medicare wasn't in bad shape at all. Again you are wrong. IOU's have to be funded
    No, I said I gave you a link that it wasn't that bad.


    Many are concerned over Medicare’s long-term affordability. If provisions of the Affordable Care Act are enforced, the added budget costs of Medicare over the next quarter century are modest and affordable.

    http://www.brookings.edu/research/te...medicare-aaron

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It also reduces costs with a reduction in paper work. However:

    . . . with average earnings of $79,000,000+. Clearly this pushes the average much higher and that is why you see the average household income at $69,821.

    How much do Americans earn? What is the average US income and other income figures. Fiscal cliff talks only useful in context of incomes.

    Employers would also save money. We'd be ahead even if we raised the %.
    If the average is nearly $70K then why is the median ($51.4K) nearly 25% below that?

    Surely you do not expect that ALL will be mandated to pay 10% of their income to fund UHC.

    Chart: Median household incomes have collapsed since the recession
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the average is nearly $70K then why is the median ($51.4K) nearly 25% below that?

    Surely you do not expect that ALL will be mandated to pay 10% of their income to fund UHC.

    Chart: Median household incomes have collapsed since the recession
    No. But with the lower of costs. Using cheaper personal where possible. Controlling the unnecessary. And as I said, it being two tiered. Yes, I believe we can do the job.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Our biggest threat is crumbling infrastructure and degradation of services like sewer, water and electric. If you want to know what that's like, visit India.

    As far as being attacked by any credible outside source--not just terrorism from a paranoid Right Winger---I'd say chances of that happening in my lifetime is 0.
    None of that is the responsibility of the federal govt. Protection from invasion is.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. But with the lower of costs. Using cheaper personal where possible. Controlling the unnecessary. And as I said, it being two tiered. Yes, I believe we can do the job.
    Still waiting for an example of where the Federal Govt. has implemented any social program that cost what it was supposed to cost and didn't end up with higher debt and waste, fraud, and abuse?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I said I gave you a link that it wasn't that bad.


    Many are concerned over Medicare’s long-term affordability. If provisions of the Affordable Care Act are enforced, the added budget costs of Medicare over the next quarter century are modest and affordable.

    The Current State of Medicare | Brookings Institution
    There are zero examples of the Federal Govt. being effecient and controlling costs in any program they implement

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Still waiting for an example of where the Federal Govt. has implemented any social program that cost what it was supposed to cost and didn't end up with higher debt and waste, fraud, and abuse?
    I've given you many examples. SS and Medicare have both done more than asked, and have improved life emensely.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    There are zero examples of the Federal Govt. being effecient and controlling costs in any program they implement
    But I have.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I've given you many examples. SS and Medicare have both done more than asked, and have improved life emensely.
    You never ran a business, have you? They have cost more than intended and have made people dependent but you are right, they have given the govt. a huge slush fund that helped create the unfunded mandates. And by the way the Post Office isn't a social program but it is broke

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

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    Still waiting for an example of where the Federal Govt. has implemented any social program that cost what it was supposed to cost and didn't end up with higher debt and waste, fraud, and abuse?
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