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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Polls? I think anyone being asked about the individual goodies once they have them, will say that they like them, that doesn't however mean that this steaming pile of crap called the ACA is liked in its entirety.....
    That is exactly why King Barack decided to "delay" the PPACA employer mandate until after the 2014 mid-term congressional elections.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    Could it be that these left-wing polls were fraudulent?
    Probably not. More likely it was what the campaign contributors (and their lobbyists) wanted that caused the popularity of the PPACA "deal". With a mandate to spend 15% tp 20% of 1/6 of the US GDP on "private" medical care insurance "overhead" that is some serious cash to be gobbled up.
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is exactly why King Barack decided to "delay" the PPACA employer mandate until after the 2014 mid-term congressional elections.
    but..... but..... once the public sees how wonderful it is, they'll love it!
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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by wbcoleman View Post
    So why didn't they vote in single payer? Because THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES. And why didn't they have the votes? Because THE COUNTRY DOESN'T WANT IT. So what does one make of a scheme to secure an outcome which the country doesn't want by wrecking the existing insurance market and then presenting the necessity of single payer as a fait accompli?
    the average person also doesn't want to pay more at every level of care than anyone else in the world with poorer outcomes. The PPACA is a POS, though. Hopefully we'll enact real reform before we go bankrupt clinging to the false idea that an essential service with inelastic demand can be efficiently delivered by the market.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Or calling yourself a Centrist when you're anything but.
    Problem is wingnuts are so far gone they think anyone believing that global warming is real and that terrorists plots to destroy America are not is considered a bleeding heart liberal. And, if you think that people should have access to affordable healthcare and a right to collectively bargain, you're downright a Commie. So, of course a Centrist appears to them to be on the Far Left.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    When Obamacare was passed many people cheered. "YAY!!! We get free healthcare!" Ummm...no...what you got is a legal mandate REQUIRING YOU under penalty to carry insurance. You get the IRS accessing your bank accounts and taking money from you if you dont buy your own healthcare. You get rationed care at best. Ya maybe shoulda read what was passed first. "Whut? Thats not free! We wanted FREE healthcare...as in...its...you know...FREE and stuff..."

    The proponents of universal/single payer care ultimately want to get to a system where the wealthy pay all of the costs for their healthcare without regard to cost or impact on the healthcare system. That would be swell...thanks.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the average person also doesn't want to pay more at every level of care than anyone else in the world with poorer outcomes. The PPACA is a POS, though. Hopefully we'll enact real reform before we go bankrupt clinging to the false idea that an essential service with inelastic demand can be efficiently delivered by the market.
    Are you kidding me? Are not food, clothing and shelter, not to mention utilities and motor fuel, not also considered to be essential products/services with inelastic demand? When did everything "important" suddenly become a federal gov't power?

    What about those US gasoline prices that are so inefficiently delivered by the market?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    *sigh* Yet another thread in not discussion of any meaning (thanks to liberal progressives that can't stomach honest discussion on topic) but rather a devolved glorified, childish name calling session dragged into the gutter by self absorbed boobs.
    You called the OP honest. ROFL. That would be like calling one of your threads honest. "Don't read the actual poll data, just take my word for it, I would never leave out important details" j-mac and his selective outrage strikes again. Clue: the OP contained several insults. Can you find them and bitch about them too?

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? Are not food, clothing and shelter, not to mention utilities and motor fuel, not also considered to be essential products/services with inelastic demand? When did everything "important" suddenly become a federal gov't power?

    What about those US gasoline prices that are so inefficiently delivered by the market?

    • Gasoline: fuel prices around the world 2013 | Statistic
    i agree that we should also replace the oil-based transportation model, and i would support a NASA-type initiative to push the research and infrastructure expansion. right now, the profit is in oil, so there's little motivation to do the planning that we should be doing right now. oil won't be forever, and we should plan for that.

    we're already providing health care access to everyone, it's delivered in the most stupid and inefficient way possible (emergency room as primary care,) and you're already paying for it. it would be much better to try something else.

    as for your food and clothing analogy, i can buy food or clothes anywhere, and both are relatively inexpensive. plus, i can choose to put off any large purchases. ****, i can grow my own food if i want, and i do. if i need immediate care, though, i have maybe two options, and if i need emergency care, i have about one option. "shopping around" and hospitals having price wars with each other will not and cannot solve this problem.

    we need to look at what the rest of the first world is doing, take the best parts of each program, and custom fit a solution. barring that, we need to just expand medicare to cover everyone. a percentage of the country will cry and scream over it, but in fifty years, they'll get over it and we'll just be a normal first world country with a sane health care system.

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    re: Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i agree that we should also replace the oil-based transportation model, and i would support a NASA-type initiative to push the research and infrastructure expansion. right now, the profit is in oil, so there's little motivation to do the planning that we should be doing right now. oil won't be forever, and we should plan for that.

    we're already providing health care access to everyone, it's delivered in the most stupid and inefficient way possible (emergency room as primary care,) and you're already paying for it. it would be much better to try something else.

    as for your food and clothing analogy, i can buy food or clothes anywhere, and both are relatively inexpensive. plus, i can choose to put off any large purchases. ****, i can grow my own food if i want, and i do. if i need immediate care, though, i have maybe two options, and if i need emergency care, i have about one option. "shopping around" and hospitals having price wars with each other will not and cannot solve this problem.

    we need to look at what the rest of the first world is doing, take the best parts of each program, and custom fit a solution. barring that, we need to just expand medicare to cover everyone. a percentage of the country will cry and scream over it, but in fifty years, they'll get over it and we'll just be a normal first world country with a sane health care system.
    There is a well-developed economic theory of exhaustible resources. Obviously one needs to develop alternatives to resources which will be exhausted in, say, a year. But, a century? Five centuries? In a nutshell, prices tell us when to start exploring for alternatives. And so long as prices for the incumbent resources are far below those of the alternatives, we stick with the existing supply.
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